WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[Hornfinger]

It's not that it was placed on manny's shoulders. What I'm saying is he could have chosen to take it on and elvated himself further. He chose not to. That frustrated me.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

It's not that it was placed on manny's shoulders. What I'm saying is he could have chosen to take it on and elvated himself further. He chose not to. That frustrated me.

But if he has chosen not to and not elevate himself further, so be it.

It's not up to the boxer to clean up the sport. That's what the boxing commissions should be doing. You should be frustrated with them.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

Yes we are going into the dirty polloticks

Nope I'm not blaming the boxers

And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.

As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'

Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

Yes we are going into the dirty polloticks

Nope I'm not blaming the boxers
If your statement that "If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies." isn't blaming them, then what is it?

And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.
Another statement of yours: "Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator." That's putting more responsibilities on Manny, and I didn't say "all".

As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'

Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.
And how do you think the boxers will be able to decide to change the sports? Go to a big boxer conference/meeting and come up with a solitary position on how to change the sport, then put it into action as a collective?.

What you are insinuating is easier said than done.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

We are now going into the dirty politics behind boxing. And you are now blaming all the boxers but putting most of the responsibility on Pacquaio.

Do you really expect them to go on strike? Do you think if Pacquiao calls on the boxers to go on strike to clean up the sport that they would all listen? I don't think he can even convince his own countrymen to do this. They would just tell him that it's easy for him to say this because he had already earned millions.

Boxing is not like some team sports (basketball, football, baseball) where they can easily unite and have a single voice since they have union representatives. Boxing is an individual sport and one boxer can not speak for the rest.

Yes we are going into the dirty polloticks

Nope I'm not blaming the boxers
If your statement that "If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies." isn't blaming them, then what is it?

And nope I'm not lumping it all on pacquiao. You're back in pactard territory, taking what I'm saying out of context and to rediculous extremes.
Another statement of yours: "Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator." That's putting more responsibilities on Manny, and I didn't say "all".

As I said in my post (me repeating things for you again!?) '....boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.'

Boxers can change the sport. But first they must realise they can and then they have to decide if they want to or not.
And how do you think the boxers will be able to decide to change the sports? Go to a big boxer conference/meeting and come up with a solitary position on how to change the sport, then put it into action as a collective?.

What you are insinuating is easier said than done.

Yes it is.

[fan johnny]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

[fan johnny]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

It comes from the tax payers.

[fan johnny]

You shout shut up before you say more things laced with idiocy.

[Hornfinger]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

HAHAHAHAHA So where does their money come from? The tooth fairy? Or do you think their people work for free? You're not an economist are you? And you're calling me an idiot? Way to go retard.

Also the commisions are doing an excellent job caring for fighters health with their out of date, stone age, crap, can't detect fuck all, half arsed urine testing.

LOL might want to start thinking before you type especially when accusing people of knowing 'fuck all'

It comes from the tax payers.

This is tooo fucking easy. You uneducated retard.

It can only come from tax payers if the sport is producing taxable revenue. Which of course in the state of Nevada it does, because of all the gambling etc.

IF the major fights in the sport were to be taken from Vegas the state of Nevada would lose alot of revenue would it not?

So it's in the best interest to keep boxing in vegas. Implementing things like blood test could well scare certain fighters off. Infact I'm 100% sure it would. You're probably too much of a retard to see this though. For that I forgive you.

The fact that you don't seem to see that the sport is all about making money shows me what a dick you are.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I disagree. It is up to the boxers.

If the boxers didn't fight for all these silly titles we wouldn't have all the ludicrous sanctioning bodies.

The commisioning/sanctioning bodies only have the amount of power the boxers are willing to give them.

If boxers go on strike and stop boxing then you have no comissioning bodies and the whole sport folds.

Marco Antonio Barrera had the right idea by not paying sanctioning fees on his titles and that's why he kept losing them out side the ring. If all fighters did that we could get rid of all these champions and get back to the good old days when there was one recognised champ per weight division.

All commisioning bodies care about is money. Not the sport. For example Nevada won't do anything to jepodise all the big fights coming to vegas.

By refusing to do things or insisting to do things boxers can change the sport for the better. They probably don't realise this.

Pac has more clout than most at the moment because he is the the biggest revenue generator.

You don't know what you are talking about. Every time you try to say something intelligent, it makes you look like an idiot.

The commission is the governing body that licenses the fighter, enforces the rules, insures the fighters health and protects the fighters from getting screwed over by the promoters. The only time they get involved with the money is for dishing out penalties otherwise money is not an issue. Fighters have no collective power over the government. They get no benefit from a big fight verses a small fight.

See hornfinger, I told you I'm not the only one who calls you that.

And you have made several statements here where you don't know what you're talking about.

[mafiajoey]

And you guys believe if Manny said 2 weeks that this was on paper and Floyd refused? I want proof. These guys need to put this shit on paper.

But as far as testing If you go over to the "Off topic" I love how Marbleheadmaui has a different approach when it;s not Manny.... lol

[InTheNeutralCorner]

And you guys believe if Manny said 2 weeks that this was on paper and Floyd refused? I want proof. These guys need to put this shit on paper.

But as far as testing If you go over to the "Off topic" I love how Marbleheadmaui has a different approach when it;s not Manny.... lol

Please read the previous post #188:

If Manny agreed to test be it 1st, 2nd, or 50th negotiation...and we had proof he agreed. As in he signed his part of the contract....then I am satisfied. I'm not 100% convinced he is on anything. I never thought he was. I never, ever thought he was until he came with the worst excuse after excuse and he made himself look guilty by opening his mouth. He should just call Floyd out and send over "signed paperwork" and if Floyd bullshits then I say fuck Floyd for being a bitch. But above I referenced "signed paperwork" cause some people here actually think cause Manny, Roach or Bob say something that they mean it. Sure they will say Manny agreed or this or that while they are negotiation his next victim before fighting the one in front of him.

If Manny agress to the drug test, the burden of proof shifts to the opposing boxer. How many times do I have to say this?
There can not be a "signed paperwork" if Floyd's team even denies that the second negotiation took place.

It was the excuses that killed me. It was the B.S. Manny said....for the love of God if he agreed and took the test and fought Floyd regardless of outcome I would be happy.

Both parties came up with excuses in the first negotiation. Some think that the blood test demand was Floyd's excuse to avoid the fight and Manny did not call in Floyd's bluff. When Manny agreed in the second negotiation, Floyd's refusal appear to give credibility to the suspicion that he was indeed avoiding Manny.

I also think that after the first negotiation Pac and fans and everyone on his balls have done everything possible to "Claim" they agreed the second time. Proof? And now they just ride out the "Blame Floyd" roller coaster and Manny keeps avoiding the test. So that's why I have doubt. Not saying he is on something 100% but he just runs and even when he so called agrees.......it's only verified by him, Roach and Arum. They always say this shit. And they keep lining up fight after fight before fights are signed to avoid the test. But Pac fans don't want to believe it. Just like I would like to think Floyd isn't ducking Manny and I don't. But harsh reality is if Manny signs to test "I want Proof" then Floyd is a ducker and I will accept it. But the logic of a Pac fan is that they "worship" him so he could do no wrong. See us Flomos as you call us don't actually like Floyd so we are open to both sides of the story. Pac fans are not. He is god therefore he is clean.

Manny Pacquiao Agrees To Blood Test | The Daily Tribute

Pacquiao Agrees to Drug Testing to Fight Mayweather | Testing It Up – Drug & Health Testing News – Test Country Blog

BBC Sport - Manny Pacquiao agrees to 14-day blood-testing limit

Pacquiao willing to take random dope test | The Manila Bulletin Newspaper Online

Pacquiao agrees to the Olympic-style random drug test | onFuss.com

Manny Pacquiao agrees to undergo blood tests, but Floyd Mayweather has new... - Bloody Elbow

Report: Manny Pacquiao Agrees to Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s Drug-Testing Demands - Manny Pacquiao - NESN.com

Pacman Agrees to Drug Test

Boxing: Pacquiao agrees to blood tests for fight with Mayweather - Others, More Sports - The Independent

Yes, team Pacquiao claimed they agreed to the drug test. It's up to team Mayweather to prove that they're bluffing.

There's more of those news out there. The reason why this fight can not be made appears to be either because Manny is a drug cheat or Floyd is a coward. The burden of proof is now with Floyd.