Bernard is historically greater than Manny or Floyd

[Pavlik]

Look all i am saying is if there is fucking 10 weight classes for 40 pounds then that is to many weight classes don't you think. As for Margarito having 17 pounds well shit i mean Holyfeild fought and beat guys weighing 30 pounds more then him sometimes think lower weights classes get more credit in pound for pound because there to many lower weight classes. I mean the weight difference in a heavyweight fight sometimes is more weight then the whole 10 weight class i just mention think it is just silly.

[Mr140]

Also i think you do have some good points Pavlik i just don't agree with all of them.

[Pavlik]

Look all i am saying is if there is fucking 10 weight classes for 40 pounds then that is to many weight classes don't you think. As for Margarito having 17 pounds well shit i mean Holyfeild fought and beat guys weighing 30 pounds more then him sometimes think lower weights classes get more credit in pound for pound because there to many lower weight classes. I mean the weight difference in a heavyweight fight sometimes is more weight then the whole 10 weight class i just mention think it is just silly.

i'm not a master in biomechanics i just think that demonstrable strength and power differences show more in the lower weightclasses

[Mr140]

Ok lest put it this way who has ever moved up from any weightclass to Heavy and would be considered to be a top 10 atg heavweight champion of all time. There as been one and that is Evander Holyfeild so over the course of how long this sport has been around one guy been able to move up Heavy and be a top 10 I think that is why it is harder to move up so many weight classes when you are in higher weights and become great in them.

[Pavlik]

Ok lest put it this way who has ever moved up from any weightclass to Heavy and would be considered to be a top 10 atg heavweight champion of all time. There as been one and that is Evander Holyfeild so over the course of how long this sport has been around one guy been able to move up Heavy and be a top 10 I think that is why it is harder to move up so many weight classes when you are in higher weights and become great in them.

im fine with that that's why great fighters like rjj, toney, moorer and especially humble warrior holyfied should be up there.

oops i dont mean putting rjj, toney and moorer top ten atg in the heavies though, holyfield yes!

[miron_lang]

Ok lest put it this way who has ever moved up from any weightclass to Heavy and would be considered to be a top 10 atg heavweight champion of all time. There as been one and that is Evander Holyfeild so over the course of how long this sport has been around one guy been able to move up Heavy and be a top 10 I think that is why it is harder to move up so many weight classes when you are in higher weights and become great in them.

There are 4 Divisions from 105 lbs to 118lbs. That is just 13 lbs. but i dont think there is anyone who has won legitimate titles ( Yeah even Alphabet World titles ) from 105 to 118.

Arce recently won the WBO 122lbs title but his title at 112 were all interim's.


1 or 2 lbs means a lot to small fighters. Moving up is just as hard to little guys compared to big guys.

[Mr140]

Lang i have to disagree a bit it is hard as shit to move up in weight when you are 160 and up i would say. And like i said before it is almost unheard of to move up to heavyweight and be a great at that division.

[Mr140]

For example Hagler was a great but no way in hell he was going to win against Spinks at 175. Spinks and Foster were the top lhw of all time look what happen to them at Heavyweight.

[miron_lang]

For example Hagler was a great but no way in hell he was going to win against Spinks at 175. Spinks and Foster were the top lhw of all time look what happen to them at Heavyweight.

Well that is true.

but that also applies to the little dudes. Lopez was a beast but he did not even fought at 112.


Roy for example started at 154 and won an alphabet at heavyweight. That is 5 Divisions. at least it has been done. while i dont know if there's anybody that started at 105 and later won a 122 lbs alphabet.

Many other middleweights like Toney has climbed and won at heavyweight in comparison the little guys are not as successful w/c indicate that moving up is not also easily done at the lower weights.