Bernard is historically greater than Manny or Floyd

**generalbulldog** · 05-23-2011 08:27 AM

BTW, 3 pounds is a lot to the little guys in regards to body mass percentage as people have stated. Take Ricardo Lopez for instance, someone here said it would have been easy for Lopez to become a champ from 105 to 118, that may be 5 weight classes but only 13 pounds as they say. They say 13 pounds is nothing but yet if you look at boxing history how many 4 or 5 weight champs at the lower weights? Since it's only a few pounds as they say and looks real easy because the weights are separated by 3 or 4 pounds?

So if it's real easy to do. Name me the guys that have won lineal titles or alphabet titles in 4 or 5 weight divisions 130 and below? We'll use 130 as the cutoff weight. I would like to hear the names if it's real easy. So it should be 30 or 40 guys in boxing history that has done it right? I mean it's just 3 or 4 measly pounds separating those divisions?

**Mr140** · 05-23-2011 08:36 AM

Well also how old is the lower weight classes compared to higher ones not to mention the talent pool is pretty slim as well when you look at the lower weight class roster.

**generalbulldog** · 05-23-2011 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Mr140

Well also how old is the lower weight classes compared to higher ones not to mention the talent pool is pretty slim as well when you look at the lower weight class roster.

What does being how old matter? The higher weight classes has 140, 154, 168, and 200 that are pretty new. And historically the 140 pound and 200 pound division has the been the weakest divisions in boxing history.

The point being if 3 or 4 pounds separating the lower weight classes is insignificant and isn't seem as that big of a hurdle compared to the higher weight classes, then there would be 30 to 40 multiple 3 or 4 weight division champions. But guess what? There isn't. Those 3 or 4 pounds is significant for the lower weight fighters because of their physiology. If it wasn't a big deal a great fighter like Ricardo Lopez would have fought and dominated through 3 or 4 of the lower weight divisions like it's nothing, but he couldn't. It would have been only 10 pounds for Ricardo Lopez to fight in 4 divisions, but because of the lower weight fighter's physiology, it's a big hurdle.

**Mr140** · 05-23-2011 09:45 AM

That could be true or the talent pool might be shit who knows all lower weights comp is pretty shit. I think the talent pool is pretty slim around the lower weight classes i mean not that many people that size.

**Mr140** · 05-23-2011 09:57 AM

I may be wrong but if you look at the pool of fighters in those division it is probably pretty slim.

**generalbulldog** · 05-23-2011 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Mr140

That could be true or the talent pool might be shit who know all lower weights comp is pretty shit. I think the talent pool is pretty slim around the lower weight classes i mean not that many people that size.

118 and 126 has been one of the deepest in boxing history much richer than the competition at say 140, 154, 168 and the cruiserweight division, now those division has been historically shit. And 118 right now is arguably the deepest division in terms of talent right now in boxing. 126 just a few years back had Hamed, Morales, Pac, JMM, and MAB fighting through it. All top 10 p4p fighters and 4 of those guys are considered all time greats and Hamed although not an ATG, more than likely will get into the HOF.

**Mr140** · 05-23-2011 10:04 AM

Well i would say 147, 160, 175 and heavyweight are far better then 118 and 126 are. And i would say 140, 154, 168, and hell even CW are far better the 105, 108, and 115 division which have like no depth.