Bernard is historically greater than Manny or Floyd

[Pavlik]

Ok lest put it this way who has ever moved up from any weightclass to Heavy and would be considered to be a top 10 atg heavweight champion of all time. There as been one and that is Evander Holyfeild so over the course of how long this sport has been around one guy been able to move up Heavy and be a top 10 I think that is why it is harder to move up so many weight classes when you are in higher weights and become great in them.

im fine with that that's why great fighters like rjj, toney, moorer and especially humble warrior holyfied should be up there.

oops i dont mean putting rjj, toney and moorer top ten atg in the heavies though, holyfield yes!

[miron_lang]

Ok lest put it this way who has ever moved up from any weightclass to Heavy and would be considered to be a top 10 atg heavweight champion of all time. There as been one and that is Evander Holyfeild so over the course of how long this sport has been around one guy been able to move up Heavy and be a top 10 I think that is why it is harder to move up so many weight classes when you are in higher weights and become great in them.

There are 4 Divisions from 105 lbs to 118lbs. That is just 13 lbs. but i dont think there is anyone who has won legitimate titles ( Yeah even Alphabet World titles ) from 105 to 118.

Arce recently won the WBO 122lbs title but his title at 112 were all interim's.


1 or 2 lbs means a lot to small fighters. Moving up is just as hard to little guys compared to big guys.

[Mr140]

Lang i have to disagree a bit it is hard as shit to move up in weight when you are 160 and up i would say. And like i said before it is almost unheard of to move up to heavyweight and be a great at that division.

[Mr140]

For example Hagler was a great but no way in hell he was going to win against Spinks at 175. Spinks and Foster were the top lhw of all time look what happen to them at Heavyweight.

[miron_lang]

For example Hagler was a great but no way in hell he was going to win against Spinks at 175. Spinks and Foster were the top lhw of all time look what happen to them at Heavyweight.

Well that is true.

but that also applies to the little dudes. Lopez was a beast but he did not even fought at 112.


Roy for example started at 154 and won an alphabet at heavyweight. That is 5 Divisions. at least it has been done. while i dont know if there's anybody that started at 105 and later won a 122 lbs alphabet.

Many other middleweights like Toney has climbed and won at heavyweight in comparison the little guys are not as successful w/c indicate that moving up is not also easily done at the lower weights.

[Mr140]

Yea but i think alot of the lower weights have not been around as long. Not to mention Pac was 16 years of age kinda help he grow as he got older i mean still pretty amazing but pac was 16 when he started. Think about your self at 16 and how you are now i am a good 20 pounds heavier then i was at 16.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Yea but i think alot of the lower weights have not been around as long. Not to mention Pac was 16 years of age kinda help he grow as he got older i mean still pretty amazing but pac was 16 when he started. Think about your self at 16 and how you are now i am a good 20 pounds heavier then i was at 16.

Yep, people also forgot that PBF fought at 108 as a 16 year old amateur.

[generalbulldog]

BTW, 3 pounds is a lot to the little guys in regards to body mass percentage as people have stated. Take Ricardo Lopez for instance, someone here said it would have been easy for Lopez to become a champ from 105 to 118, that may be 5 weight classes but only 13 pounds as they say. They say 13 pounds is nothing but yet if you look at boxing history how many 4 or 5 weight champs at the lower weights? Since it's only a few pounds as they say and looks real easy because the weights are separated by 3 or 4 pounds?

So if it's real easy to do. Name me the guys that have won lineal titles or alphabet titles in 4 or 5 weight divisions 130 and below? We'll use 130 as the cutoff weight. I would like to hear the names if it's real easy. So it should be 30 or 40 guys in boxing history that has done it right? I mean it's just 3 or 4 measly pounds separating those divisions?

[Mr140]

Well also how old is the lower weight classes compared to higher ones not to mention the talent pool is pretty slim as well when you look at the lower weight class roster.

[generalbulldog]

Well also how old is the lower weight classes compared to higher ones not to mention the talent pool is pretty slim as well when you look at the lower weight class roster.

What does being how old matter? The higher weight classes has 140, 154, 168, and 200 that are pretty new. And historically the 140 pound and 200 pound division has the been the weakest divisions in boxing history.

The point being if 3 or 4 pounds separating the lower weight classes is insignificant and isn't seem as that big of a hurdle compared to the higher weight classes, then there would be 30 to 40 multiple 3 or 4 weight division champions. But guess what? There isn't. Those 3 or 4 pounds is significant for the lower weight fighters because of their physiology. If it wasn't a big deal a great fighter like Ricardo Lopez would have fought and dominated through 3 or 4 of the lower weight divisions like it's nothing, but he couldn't. It would have been only 10 pounds for Ricardo Lopez to fight in 4 divisions, but because of the lower weight fighter's physiology, it's a big hurdle.

[Mr140]

That could be true or the talent pool might be shit who knows all lower weights comp is pretty shit. I think the talent pool is pretty slim around the lower weight classes i mean not that many people that size.

[Mr140]

I may be wrong but if you look at the pool of fighters in those division it is probably pretty slim.

[generalbulldog]

That could be true or the talent pool might be shit who know all lower weights comp is pretty shit. I think the talent pool is pretty slim around the lower weight classes i mean not that many people that size.

118 and 126 has been one of the deepest in boxing history much richer than the competition at say 140, 154, 168 and the cruiserweight division, now those division has been historically shit. And 118 right now is arguably the deepest division in terms of talent right now in boxing. 126 just a few years back had Hamed, Morales, Pac, JMM, and MAB fighting through it. All top 10 p4p fighters and 4 of those guys are considered all time greats and Hamed although not an ATG, more than likely will get into the HOF.

[Mr140]

Well i would say 147, 160, 175 and heavyweight are far better then 118 and 126 are. And i would say 140, 154, 168, and hell even CW are far better the 105, 108, and 115 division which have like no depth.

[killersheep]

Man Ouma, they took the bait lol.