WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[Hornfinger]

like i said you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. I told you to stfu! But you insist. Where do you get you information from? What are you like 12? Because the shit you write seems to be plucked out of thin air! If you post something that pre-supposes fact then attach the link that supports that fact otherwise stfu!.when you are old enough to take a class on how government works, i suggest you enroll if you are going to continue to make statements about how things work.

The nevada state athletic commission is a state government agency. It is funded by the state. Notice the website is a ".gov" not a ".com" or ".org" very unlike the sanctioning bodies. It was created by the nevada legislature in order to regulate combat sports. The funding is voted on and approved by the legislature. In fact the commission has lost it's out of competition testing funding started in 2006.

In general when government agencies collect money, unless the money is specifically directed to be used by the agency for a specific purpose, it goes into the state treasury and not into the agencies fund. The rules are created this way so that a conflict of interest is not created, which is exactly what you implying about the nsac.

ill repy like this because it's the only way that you retards seem to be able to read what i say.

i'm not desputing that nevada state athletic commission is government run and government funded.

i'm also not disputing that all taxes go into one state treasury

that tax money has to come from somewhere. Nevada get's alot of it's tax revenue from gambling, alcohol and all the other taxable things from the entertainment centered in las vegas.

it is in the best interest of the state of nevada to keep huge mega fights in las vegas because of the amount of revenue it brings in.

losing big mega fights in vegas means a loss of taxable revenue.

if you don't understand this please have your carer read it back to you and explain it to you.


also i'm sure the following thoughts have never entered your tiny minds.....

the out of contest testing the nsac did was not blood testing but urine testing, so was not good enough anyway.

the money was withdrawn by legislators. Ever thought for a second that it might be because they were losing out on some big taxable events because fighters were put off by the testing?

but anyway this is just side tracking...

my argument was that i believe it's down to the boxers to put preasure on the boxing commisison to change the sport, and demand things like blood testing if that is what they want, and i'm personally not sure it is because alot are steroid users. But if they wanted to do this they could easily boycott fighting in nevada, things would soon change. But i realise that we don't live in a perfect world and that is just in the realm of fantasy land.

what you have just provided is a document saying that the commision aren't even getting proper funding to do basic drug testing on athletes and are basically doing a half arsed job. That is what i have said from page one of this thread. Thanks for that.



i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)


i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

[fan johnny]

ill repy like this because it's the only way that you retards seem to be able to read what i say.

i'm not desputing that nevada state athletic commission is government run and government funded.

i'm also not disputing that all taxes go into one state treasury

that tax money has to come from somewhere. Nevada get's alot of it's tax revenue from gambling, alcohol and all the other taxable things from the entertainment centered in las vegas.

it is in the best interest of the state of nevada to keep huge mega fights in las vegas because of the amount of revenue it brings in.

losing big mega fights in vegas means a loss of taxable revenue.

if you don't understand this please have your carer read it back to you and explain it to you.

also i'm sure the following thoughts have never entered your tiny minds.....

the out of contest testing the nsac did was not blood testing but urine testing, so was not good enough anyway.

the money was withdrawn by legislators. Ever thought for a second that it might be because they were losing out on some big taxable events because fighters were put off by the testing?

but anyway this is just side tracking...

my argument was that i believe it's down to the boxers to put preasure on the boxing commisison to change the sport, and demand things like blood testing if that is what they want, and i'm personally not sure it is because alot are steroid users. But if they wanted to do this they could easily boycott fighting in nevada, things would soon change. But i realise that we don't live in a perfect world and that is just in the realm of fantasy land.

what you have just provided is a document saying that the commision aren't even getting proper funding to do basic drug testing on athletes and are basically doing a half arsed job. That is what i have said from page one of this thread. Thanks for that.

i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes

(thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)

i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

In the first quote, I identified above, you go on about big fights generating tax money and a conflict of interest that the NSAC has managing the regulations of the sport. I have already explained to you the basics of how of the rules are made so that there is no motivation for corruption. If you think there is a conflict interest with the way NSAC manages the sport and implements policy, identify the "specific conflict". If you can do that with facts to backup your statement, I would most likely have to agree with you. But making general corruption statements without identifying any motivation says absolutely nothing is easily dismissed as unwarranted governmental conspiracy theory rhetoric.

In the second quote, You make a bold statement that the testing the NSAC does is not good enough. Provide specific facts that identify the poor qualify of the testing related to good quality testing and how they are going to address the testing procedure deficiencies. Your facts should identify the type of banded substances they fail to identify and why what they do is such poor quality. Your facts should also identify the a good quality method of testing that the NASC should follow in order to correct it's deficiencies.

Now with your expert advise I'm sure we can get GBP, Top Rank and other big promoters conducting events to put up the $9K-$15K budget short fall the commission needs to implement a good quality PED testing program.

[Hornfinger]

Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?

Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.

You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?

Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.

Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com

The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests

USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com


Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com
In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'

I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.

What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....


Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.

Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.


Consider yourself owned.

[Master]

Call me naive but I think they are all clean unless proved otherwise.

[fan johnny]

Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?

Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.

This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.

You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?

This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.

Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.

Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com

The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests

USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com

Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com

In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'

Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!

You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.

I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.

What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....

No need! I don't hold this position

Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.

Promise? - follow the link

Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.

Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?

Consider yourself owned.

I will never submit to slavery!

[Hornfinger]

Specific facts of why testing isn't good enough!? are you for fucking real?

Urine testing will not detect growth hormone or testosterone enhancers or alot of modern day steroids. That is common knowledge.

This is just idiocy on your part. It's a general statement applies to both agencies and you do not support your position here with specifics.

You obviously know absolutley nothing about modern performance enhancers and testing. And if that's the case why are you posting on this thread?

This statement pre-supposes fact that you are in fact an expert? Provide your credentials as support.

Here are some links to educate yourself and they are also links pactards should probably want to stay away from to keep their little pac delusion bubble in tact.

Drug Test FAQ's : Synthetic Urine : Random Drug Testing : Cleartest.com

The History of Drug Testing in Sports & How Athletes Beat the Drug Tests

USADA calls NSAC's drug-testing procedures "inadequate," recommends tougher stance | MMAjunkie.com

Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | MLive.com

In this link the CEO of USADA states that '...there is no Urine testing for human growth hormone...'

Rebuttal - In regards to the allegations from USADA and the sensationalized article writing with half truths and taking shit out of context to generate hits. You must really believe that BS!

You said that all the NSAC cares about is money. I'd be willing to bet you that USADA is really about is getting federal grant money. If they were really after cleaning up the sports, they would be working with the states helping to coordinate testing instead of competing with them and lobbing legislature to take over testing.

I could post more links but at the moment I can't be arsed.

What are you going to do to show me that current testing by NSAC is adequet? Seeing that all you've done is provide evidence that they are financially incapable of providing a decent screening program.....

No need! I don't hold this position

Until NSAC bring in random blood testing I do not believe what they are doing is adequate.

Promise? - follow the link

Why would golden boy, top rank, and those other promotors put the money up for testing when it could mean their cash cows failing and getting banned? If you get banned you can't fight, if you can't fight you can't earn money for these people. Congratulations you are more nieve than a 3 year old.

Maybe to promote the appearance of wanting to have a clean sport?

Consider yourself owned.

I will never submit to slavery!

In response to the only part that's relevant....

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.


'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....

The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.

You don't It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.

Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.

[Hornfinger]

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.

You don't It seems like you have been on a crusade after hearing the 'words according to the Mayweathers' that Pacquiao is on drugs.

Now I've stopped laughing my arse off I'll reply.....

Its typical behavior of a sterotypical pactard to bring up floyd mayweather whenever their man is under even the slightest critisism.

Seeing as my family including myself have been involved in drug free competion that insists on random out of contest testing for the whole time i've been alive, I highly doubt any of floyd mayweathers ramblings have anything to do with my views.

I have had my views that all athletes in all sports should undergo random blood testing in and out of contest my whole life.

Give up, know when your argument had been discredited. It will make people think more highly of you ........ well, not really.

First off it would take a credible person with some kind of knowledge of steroids and testing to discredit me. Niether you or fan johnny or any other pactard are that person.

Secondly go back a page and read my last post with the big writing for retards like yourself to read.

No one has put a single dent in the 3 main points I have put across. I'm still waiting for them to be contested. Yoiu can't contest them so you try and change the subject to floyd mayweather, which has no relevance to this convo.


Just for you...... this is the 2nd time now, i suppose I'll have to post it three more times after this like usual for you to actually grasp it though.....

i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)


i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

[fan johnny]

In response to the only part that's relevant....

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.


'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....

The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.

Rules are for people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't give a fuk about the rules. Cutting straight to the point, there is not guarantee that people aren't going to cheat. (No matter what safe guards you put into place). You can not devise a perfect system without the participants willingness to put forth integrity.

A prudent step to take is to cut out the participants that don't follow the rules. Thus we have testing to address the issue of banned substances. The NSAC is considered a leader in the US when it comes to combat sports. As such, As a public agency under the watchful eye of the "World", I trust that they make "informed decisions" rather than knee jerk reactions. I do not hold the position that they are adequate or inadequate. I have faith that what ever they do with regards to testing in the sport, is the best that can be done. Whenever a fight comes along, I'm content, ready and I'll just sit at the edge of my chair a watch with enthusiasm.

[Hornfinger]

In response to the only part that's relevant....

I'll follow the link, I'll read the link, But more importantly I'll wait till the random blood testing is brought in. Unlike the pactards, I don't take someones word as gospel, I wait to see action. If it get's brought in I'll be happy.


'maybe to promote the appearence of a clean sport' Your child like nievity is astounding. And in an earlier post I said I was in the realm of fantasy for imagining boxing in a perfect world.....

The important thing is you agree current testing is underfunded and inadequet, and that is the base line of all my argurments.

Rules are for people that follow the rules. People that don't follow the rules don't give a fuk about the rules. Cutting straight to the point, there is not guarantee that people aren't going to cheat. (No matter what safe guards you put into place). You can not devise a perfect system without the participants willingness to put forth integrity.

A prudent step to take is to cut out the participants that don't follow the rules. Thus we have testing to address the issue of banned substances. The NSAC is considered a leader in the US when it comes to combat sports. As such, As a public agency under the watchful eye of the "World", I trust that they make "informed decisions" rather than knee jerk reactions. I do not hold the position that they are adequate or inadequate. I have faith that what ever they do with regards to testing in the sport, is the best that can be done. Whenever a fight comes along, I'm content, ready and I'll just sit at the edge of my chair a watch with enthusiasm.

I just see that as rediculously nieve stance to take.

I'm ultra critical of these things, if you sit back and let organisations do what they want expect them to do what's right for them and their wallets, not the good of the sport. Why should I trust NSAC? As I say they will go up in my estimations when they bring in random blood testing, not before.

If you hold peoples feet to the fire and keep organisations on their toes generally I think you get better and more consistant governance.

Yes I do love big mega fights, but ultimately I'm of the opinion that by being stricter on having a level playing and doing more to deter cheating we will get more evenly matched contests and less one sided hammerings that the sport sometimes seems to be plagued with.