Prime ODLH beats Manny and floyd

[ICB]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

also since when has Manny been a slick fighter? he's a boxer/puncher at best, and gets hit plenty still, just cause an old shot Mosley was unable to touch him in their last fight doesn't mean that a young DLH in his prime wouldn't have been able to touch him up and hurt him, can't compare what both did against the DLH they fought as to how they would do against the DLH that beat Vargas, Quartey, and arguably Mosley at his peak

[JonesJrMayweather]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

also since when has Manny been a slick fighter? he's a boxer/puncher at best, and gets hit plenty still, just cause an old shot Mosley was unable to touch him in their last fight doesn't mean that a young DLH in his prime wouldn't have been able to touch him up and hurt him, can't compare what both did against the DLH they fought as to how they would do against the DLH that beat Vargas, Quartey, and arguably Mosley at his peak

I said Floyd would beat him. Not manny.

And mosely at 154 wasn't peak.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

also since when has Manny been a slick fighter? he's a boxer/puncher at best, and gets hit plenty still, just cause an old shot Mosley was unable to touch him in their last fight doesn't mean that a young DLH in his prime wouldn't have been able to touch him up and hurt him, can't compare what both did against the DLH they fought as to how they would do against the DLH that beat Vargas, Quartey, and arguably Mosley at his peak

I said Floyd would beat him. Not manny.

And mosely at 154 wasn't peak.

was a hell of a lot closer to it than when Floyd and Manny beat him

[JonesJrMayweather]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

also since when has Manny been a slick fighter? he's a boxer/puncher at best, and gets hit plenty still, just cause an old shot Mosley was unable to touch him in their last fight doesn't mean that a young DLH in his prime wouldn't have been able to touch him up and hurt him, can't compare what both did against the DLH they fought as to how they would do against the DLH that beat Vargas, Quartey, and arguably Mosley at his peak

I said Floyd would beat him. Not manny.

And mosely at 154 wasn't peak.

was a hell of a lot closer to it than when Floyd and Manny beat him

True that...

[JazMerkin]

My take is that he couldn't beat them when they fought despite:

1. Outweighing Mayweather by somewhere in the region of 15-20lbs.

2. Pacquiao having been a Super-Featherweight only 9 months prior

3. Being able to choose the ring size, gloves of his opponent (I know this was definitely true against PBF) as well as them coming to a new weightclass stipulated by him.

He in no way fought them 'at their best' as they both faced several disadvantages when fighting him. Not to mention that the best version of Oscar being mentioned was only 3/4 years younger than when they beat him & a proper LMW. Neither has the frame to be a LMW. Put the best WW versions of PBF & Pac against the one that fought Quartey/Whitaker/Mosley 1 & for me they beat him.

They were also both considerably better at the lower weights than Oscar who largely passed quickly through them because he struggled with the weight.

People can talk about prime, but this isn't like Mike Tyson getting beaten by Danny Williams & Kevin McBride, he was up against guys who might well have had his number whenever he fought them.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Prime oscar beats any version of pacman, because of his jab, chin, power and boxing ability.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

But there was no doubt that floyd won both of those fights.

[ICB]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

But there was no doubt that floyd won both of those fights.

Not true Jose Luis Castillo outlanded Floyd Mayweather Jr. And pretty much won most of the rounds after the 5th round, was it a robbery ? no but very controversial and more people think he lost it than won it.

As for the rematch yes Floyd Mayweather Jr won a close but clear decision, but it was no walk in the park. At worst it was 7-5 or 7-4-1 for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

But there was no doubt that floyd won both of those fights.

Not true Jose Luis Castillo outlanded Floyd Mayweather Jr. And pretty much won most of the rounds after the 5th round, was it a robbery ? no but very controversial and more people think he lost it than won it.

As for the rematch yes Floyd Mayweather Jr won a close but clear decision, but it was no walk in the park. At worst it was 7-5 or 7-4-1 for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

most people think that only because the fight was closer. Yeah he made it tough, but floyd won that fight. Castillo did a bunch of holding in that fight. Landing more punches doesn't mean one wins a fight, it isn't amateur boxing.

If lands 100 punches in one round but loses the other rounds, that's still just one round round won.

[ICB]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

And Mayweather struggled with Castillo's pressure twice, and Pacquiao arguably lost to JMM twice and he lost convincingly to Erik Morales.

But there was no doubt that floyd won both of those fights.

Not true Jose Luis Castillo outlanded Floyd Mayweather Jr. And pretty much won most of the rounds after the 5th round, was it a robbery ? no but very controversial and more people think he lost it than won it.

As for the rematch yes Floyd Mayweather Jr won a close but clear decision, but it was no walk in the park. At worst it was 7-5 or 7-4-1 for Floyd Mayweather Jr.

most people think that only because the fight was closer. Yeah he made it tough, but floyd won that fight. Castillo did a bunch of holding in that fight. Landing more punches doesn't mean one wins a fight, it isn't amateur boxing.

If lands 100 punches in one round but loses the other rounds, that's still just one round round won.

True but apart from the first 4 rounds, where Floyd Mayweather Jr was landing effective jabs. JLC was able to bully and outland Floyd Mayweather Jr, consistently on the inside for the most part in the 2nd half of the fight.