Who is manny like

[KananKrus]

Hard hat, lunch pail on a demolition job, looks you straight in the eye... right!

Pacquiao's Ranking Among All-Time Greats - ESPN Video - ESPN

Thanks for that. Pretty dismal group in terms of insight though. I'll bet only Atlas would even recognize ATG names like Ike Williams or Eder Jofre or Jack Britton etc.

I'd LOVE to see this debate with guys like Graham Houston, Mike Silver, Mike Casey, Angelo Dundee, Dan Cuoco, Al Bernstein, Herb Goldman and Max Kellerman around the table.

Yeah... didn't you notice, a discussion? Somewhat yes, but with Atlas on a domination mood, doing a podium like gig and by all intents and purposes, practically culling the herd... LOL!

Of course when Teddy chose to go opening the books on the other three, they instanly went limp... effectively backed into oblivion and without any hope of presenting their own two-cent worth of material. Har! Har!

Well, there's ESPN for us boxing folks, "feebly" moving our beloved sport meekly back to its once established prominence!

[captainanddew]

Ben Johnson

While I am of the belief that nearly all world class athletes are using PED's I see absolutely nothing that makes Manny jump out.

It is when people do things that have never been done before that my eyes open up. Manny hasn't as this data proves. What Manny HAS done that is unique is make technical improvements. But how the heck could drugs make his right hand or balance or footwork better?

it isn't as if he bulked up much either. He weighs in and then only puts on a few pounds. When he gets in the ring he is the size that a junior welter normally is when entering the ring (hell, there are alot of junior welters who weigh more than the 148-149 that Pac usually weighs when he walks in the ring). Brandon Rios ballooned up in a fight in the last 6 months to more than Pac weighs and Rios is a lightweight.

The balance is amazing to me. He always had fast feet, but they weren't good. He'd get over-extended, off-balance, etc... The right hand had a nice progression. Roach worked on that for years. It really was in the last 3-4 fights where you could see that Pac's use of his right hand felt natural to him (for a while it looked like Freddie was force feeding that change into him).

[IamInuit]

Armstrong. Thats who he is like.

[marbleheadmaui]

Ben Johnson

While I am of the belief that nearly all world class athletes are using PED's I see absolutely nothing that makes Manny jump out.

It is when people do things that have never been done before that my eyes open up. Manny hasn't as this data proves. What Manny HAS done that is unique is make technical improvements. But how the heck could drugs make his right hand or balance or footwork better?

it isn't as if he bulked up much either. He weighs in and then only puts on a few pounds. When he gets in the ring he is the size that a junior welter normally is when entering the ring (hell, there are alot of junior welters who weigh more than the 148-149 that Pac usually weighs when he walks in the ring). Brandon Rios ballooned up in a fight in the last 6 months to more than Pac weighs and Rios is a lightweight.

The balance is amazing to me. He always had fast feet, but they weren't good. He'd get over-extended, off-balance, etc... The right hand had a nice progression. Roach worked on that for years. It really was in the last 3-4 fights where you could see that Pac's use of his right hand felt natural to him (for a while it looked like Freddie was force feeding that change into him).

All great points. I first saw Manny, like most of us, in the Ledwaba fight. Then over the years I went back and watched as many of his prior 112 fights as I could find and saw all of his fights since the Ledwaba fight. About 90 seconds into the Diaz fight I was out of my chair saying to a buddy, "who the HELL is THIS? Manny's learned how to box!" It seemed like someone threw a switch!

[Mars_ax]

Not to sound like a "Pactard" but no one is quite like Manny Pacquiao, name another fighter who has moved up as many weight classes and dominated the elite fighters there.

[marbleheadmaui]

Armstrong. Thats who he is like.

But he's really not is he? I mean he has succeeded across weights, but Armstrong put his head on your chest and wailed away. Then he'd take that little step to his right and throw that short chopping right hand over and over again and he did this 25 fights a year.

[marbleheadmaui]

Not to sound like a "Pactard" but no one is quite like Manny Pacquiao, name another fighter who has moved up as many weight classes and dominated the elite fighters there.

LOL, did you read my original post? McLarnin and Canzoneri!

There are other guys who have done more than Manny across classes. Langford beat ATG's from 135 to heavyweight, Mickey Walker beat top guys from 147 heavyweight, Barbados Joe Walcott did the same. George Carpentier went from flyweight to heavy (but didn't really beat top guys at fly).

It is an awfully small group.

[miron_lang]

Hey marbleheadmaui


Let me borrow this thread ok? Thanks

[marbleheadmaui]

Hey marbleheadmaui


Let me borrow this thread ok? Thanks

Go forth and sin!

[Master]

The obvious choice would be Henry Armstrong because of the work rate and all action style. Also the fact that he has jumped up in weight and won titles. He is a southpaw so that would be the main difference and in that regard he is a bit like Naz with his punch power but not style of boxing.

Or maybe a southpaw Ricky Hatton.