Two Questions

[rjj tszyu]

Not in any particular order

-Titles, particularly lineal ones
-resume
-dominance
-how good were the opponents? And did they have something left at the time? And the conditions.
-Accomplishments

For instance I do not consider Aaron Pryor an all time great. Why? Resume. I see it as weak with just a faded Arguello fighting a few divisions from his very best weight. I don't consider Kostya Tszyu an atg another long reigning 140 champ either with just a past prime JCC on his record. I also don't consider Wlad an atg also even if he reigns the division another 2 years. Resume is very important. Now I consider all 3 as hall of famers but not atgs. That's just a different class, imo.

I believe if all 5 of the criteria are met then they are an atg in my eyes. It's just very subjective. Although someone like Roy Jones does not have a lineal title but he is an atg in my eyes because of the other factors he's met.

Roy Jones was THE man and Lineal champion at 175. He held and defended 6 different alphabet titles at the same time. Now that is what I call unification. The only reason he didn't get the WBO is because Michalczewski wouldn't leave Germany and Roy wouldn't leave the U.S. But he would have easily beaten him.

Let's not forget he was at the Hill v RJJ fight sitting ringside...

I didn't know that. No wonder the fight never happened then, Roy hit Hill that hard it sounded like a shot gun had gone off and if I remember correctly I think that shot broke 2 of Hills ribs! Awesome power.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Not in any particular order

-Titles, particularly lineal ones
-resume
-dominance
-how good were the opponents? And did they have something left at the time? And the conditions.
-Accomplishments

For instance I do not consider Aaron Pryor an all time great. Why? Resume. I see it as weak with just a faded Arguello fighting a few divisions from his very best weight. I don't consider Kostya Tszyu an atg another long reigning 140 champ either with just a past prime JCC on his record. I also don't consider Wlad an atg also even if he reigns the division another 2 years. Resume is very important. Now I consider all 3 as hall of famers but not atgs. That's just a different class, imo.

I believe if all 5 of the criteria are met then they are an atg in my eyes. It's just very subjective. Although someone like Roy Jones does not have a lineal title but he is an atg in my eyes because of the other factors he's met.

Roy Jones was THE man and Lineal champion at 175. He held and defended 6 different alphabet titles at the same time. Now that is what I call unification. The only reason he didn't get the WBO is because Michalczewski wouldn't leave Germany and Roy wouldn't leave the U.S. But he would have easily beaten him.

Let's not forget he was at the Hill v RJJ fight sitting ringside...

I didn't know that. No wonder the fight never happened then, Roy hit Hill that hard it sounded like a shot gun had gone off and if I remember correctly I think that shot broke 2 of Hills ribs! Awesome power.

Roy said "He came to see me stop Virgil Hill, why couldn't he come to fight me? He saw that body shot then hauled ass back over there".....

I remember the broadcast when they showed DM in the crowd before the fight. Which is why I don't give any credit to the "roy dodged DM" argument. In fact, i think what DM saw is the same thing Eubank, JC, Collins, Benn, all saw. The only one i think was truly willing to face Jones was Benn and he would have been game but obliterated by RJJ.