Martinez is too small for 168 :D

[Memphis]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

[Kev]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

There's so many divisions these days that it's standard to move through them.

If you disagree with me then just name me some fighters in the last 15 years who are considered great, instant Hall of Famers that were unable or unwilling to go through more than two weight classes?

Outside of the heavyweights and really small straweights you won't find many at all.

[Fenster]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

There's so many divisions these days that it's standard to move through them.

If you disagree with me then just name me some fighters in the last 15 years who are considered great, instant Hall of Famers that were unable or unwilling to go through more than two weight classes?

Outside of the heavyweights and really small straweights you won't find many at all.

Hopkins. He's fought at middle and lightheavy. That's just 2.

Martinez started at welter, then went to lightmiddle, then middle. That's 3.

So Martinez owns Hopkins in divisions fought in too. Fact.

[Kev]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

There's so many divisions these days that it's standard to move through them.

If you disagree with me then just name me some fighters in the last 15 years who are considered great, instant Hall of Famers that were unable or unwilling to go through more than two weight classes?

Outside of the heavyweights and really small straweights you won't find many at all.

Hopkins. He's fought at middle and lightheavy. That's just 2.

Martinez started at welter, then went to lightmiddle, then middle. That's 3.

So Martinez owns Hopkins in divisions fought in too. Fact.

I so hope these two fight. You're really turning me off Martinez you know...

[Fenster]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

There's so many divisions these days that it's standard to move through them.

If you disagree with me then just name me some fighters in the last 15 years who are considered great, instant Hall of Famers that were unable or unwilling to go through more than two weight classes?

Outside of the heavyweights and really small straweights you won't find many at all.

Hopkins. He's fought at middle and lightheavy. That's just 2.

Martinez started at welter, then went to lightmiddle, then middle. That's 3.

So Martinez owns Hopkins in divisions fought in too. Fact.

I so hope these two fight. You're really turning me off Martinez you know...

lol - It's not mine or Martinez fault that he meets all your criteria for P4P and greatness.

[Kev]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

There's so many divisions these days that it's standard to move through them.

If you disagree with me then just name me some fighters in the last 15 years who are considered great, instant Hall of Famers that were unable or unwilling to go through more than two weight classes?

Outside of the heavyweights and really small straweights you won't find many at all.

Hopkins. He's fought at middle and lightheavy. That's just 2.

Martinez started at welter, then went to lightmiddle, then middle. That's 3.

So Martinez owns Hopkins in divisions fought in too. Fact.

I so hope these two fight. You're really turning me off Martinez you know...

lol - It's not mine or Martinez fault that he meets all your criteria for P4P and greatness.

He's p4p I'll give you that. But he hasn't proven himself great yet.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I mean Martinez is a fairly slender 5ft 10 and maybe his confidence after the Pavlik fight (physicality) has left his a bit sceptical about fighting guys who BOIL DOWN to 168 but I'm sure he could pick and choose his fights... I mean Froch had said a few years ago that he doesn't really have to loose a great deal of weight... Also, maybe Arthur Abraham might prove to be a good fight to test the waters...?

I dunno, at the end of the day Martinez has got to want to 'go there'. I doubt he'll find much success picking fights with smaller guys though. Maybe he'll be left with no choice but to move up?

One thing is for sure. I HOPE COTTO HAS ENOUGH SENSE TO STAY AWAY FROM MARTINEZ! I just see it coming....

[Kev]

I mean Martinez is a fairly slender 5ft 10 and maybe his confidence after the Pavlik fight (physicality) has left his a bit sceptical about fighting guys who BOIL DOWN to 168 but I'm sure he could pick and choose his fights... I mean Froch had said a few years ago that he doesn't really have to loose a great deal of weight... Also, maybe Arthur Abraham might prove to be a good fight to test the waters...?

I dunno, at the end of the day Martinez has got to want to 'go there'. I doubt he'll find much success picking fights with smaller guys though. Maybe he'll be left with no choice but to move up?

One thing is for sure. I HOPE COTTO HAS ENOUGH SENSE TO STAY AWAY FROM MARTINEZ! I just see it coming....

Abraham is probably shorter than Martinez. He's always looked really short and dumpy since moving up to 168.

I'd like to see Martinez against Abraham at 160.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Abraham is probably shorter than Martinez. He's always looked really short and dumpy since moving up to 168.

Exactly.

I'd like to see Martinez against Abraham at 160.

If Martinez was going to try 168, the why not keep King Arthur where he is? It'd be a great start for testing out your physicality and athleticism at a higher weight.

[badr_hari]

I'd like to see Martinez against Abraham at 160.

Yeah, and not necessarily Abraham. I would like to see Martinez fight a TRUE MIDDLEWEIGHT at 160 before talking about 168.

[Rantcatrat]

I'd like to see Martinez against Abraham at 160.

Yeah, and not necessarily Abraham. I would like to see Martinez fight a TRUE MIDDLEWEIGHT at 160 before talking about 168.

I agree with you. That is why I've been saying Felix Sturm in a unification fight. I don't see how anyone could have a problem with that fight, even Bilbo.

[Memphis]

He's a coward. Bernard went from 160 to 175 so why can't Martinez go from 154 to 168 if he's the p4p number 2 fighter in the world?

Since when does P4P ranking have any bearing on someones ability to move up in weight?

If Martinez is unable to beat a 46 year old grandad at 170 lbs he's overated.

Besides, all the best fighters have been able to move through multiple divisions. The only exceptions are heavyweights obviously, and one or two really tiny guys.

Ray Robinson went from 147 to 175, why can't Martinez go from 154 to 170?

Im not sure what kind of response is more fitting but Im going to go with thats bollocks

How many divisions does it need to be to qualify as one of the best? I bet its more than two

There's so many divisions these days that it's standard to move through them.

If you disagree with me then just name me some fighters in the last 15 years who are considered great, instant Hall of Famers that were unable or unwilling to go through more than two weight classes?

Outside of the heavyweights and really small straweights you won't find many at all.

Sure people of average height and build have more scope to move between weight classes, it isnt a requirement though is it?

Joe calzaghe is the obvious name that comes to mind, only ever fought in two divisions, is he not one of the best of the last 15 years?