Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999

[porkypara]

Have not read all the posts but I think if Tony Tucker can give Tyson a hard fight with only 1 hand then I think Lewis would beat Tyson from ANY year.

This thread comes around every year or so and starts an almighty slagging match.

LOL read my reply 2 posts ago about Tucker who was similar to Lewis in many ways.

Just read it.

Lewis of 2009 was a compleate boxer.

Every part of his game was A or A+ apart from his chin which why Tyson would alway have a small chance.

Really

Expand on your last post.

Its hard to debate 1 word.

2009 says it all.

O yes.

I see your point.

First time iv read that on here

The Lewis of 99 struggled with Holyfield twice. Thats no better than what Ruiz did

At least Ruiz managed to win their first fight and he dropped Holyfield! So much for Lewis's big power eh

Tyson went 19 rounds with Razor Rudock and did not come close to stopping him what ever Richard Steele thought.But Lewis took him out clean in 2 rounds.

Does this mean Lewis is a harder puncher?

No,it mean that different styles are suited to certain styles.

Also Lewis may have struggled with Holyfield twice but Tyson got beat and humilated by Holifield twice.

Right

Your point...

[Gandalf]

Tyson had been in jail for 3 plus years when he faced Holyfield, he had been out of boxing for various reasons for 5 plus against Lewis. Those wins don't mean all that much as Tyson was done. Tyson had years of skills erosion, whilst those other two were refining their craft. They never met at equal junctures in their careers.

Tyson beats both of them prime on prime.

[Spicoli]

Tyson had been in jail for 3 plus years when he faced Holyfield, he had been out of boxing for various reasons for 5 plus against Lewis. Those wins don't mean all that much as Tyson was done. Tyson had years of skills erosion, whilst those other two were refining their craft. They never met at equal junctures in their careers. Tyson beats both of them prime on prime.

Revisionanist history much Hindsight is a wonderful thing but ya just can't have it both ways. After a "shot" Holyfield who was being called a walking dead man going in, then yes, Tysons skills had hastily eroded.

I'd have loved a prime for prime Holyfield vs Tyson...if only Mike had not backed out years earlier.

[generalbulldog]

Tyson had been in jail for 3 plus years when he faced Holyfield, he had been out of boxing for various reasons for 5 plus against Lewis. Those wins don't mean all that much as Tyson was done. Tyson had years of skills erosion, whilst those other two were refining their craft. They never met at equal junctures in their careers. Tyson beats both of them prime on prime.

Revisionanist history much Hindsight is a wonderful thing but ya just can't have it both ways. After a "shot" Holyfield who was being called a walking dead man going in, then yes, Tysons skills had hastily eroded.

I'd have loved a prime for prime Holyfield vs Tyson...if only Mike had not backed out years earlier.

Yeah, many people were worried for Holyfield's life because he didn't look that good in the Bobby Cyz fight. Holyfield was considered to be a shot fighter with stamina and heart problems going into that 1st Tyson fight. Also Tyson was quickly regaining his aura of invincibility after knocking out 2 hw title holders in Bruno and Seldon in spectacular fashion and had 2 of the 3 hw titles.

Here's a fun fact. Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson gave the opinion that Mike Tyson would always lose to a Evander Holyfield no matter when they would have fought because Holyfield had the right style and tools to beat Tyson. 2 Cus Damato fighters said that.

[ross]

Tyson had been in jail for 3 plus years when he faced Holyfield, he had been out of boxing for various reasons for 5 plus against Lewis. Those wins don't mean all that much as Tyson was done. Tyson had years of skills erosion, whilst those other two were refining their craft. They never met at equal junctures in their careers. Tyson beats both of them prime on prime.

Revisionanist history much Hindsight is a wonderful thing but ya just can't have it both ways. After a "shot" Holyfield who was being called a walking dead man going in, then yes, Tysons skills had hastily eroded.

I'd have loved a prime for prime Holyfield vs Tyson...if only Mike had not backed out years earlier.

Yeah, many people were worried for Holyfield's life because he didn't look that good in the Bobby Cyz fight. Holyfield was considered to be a shot fighter with stamina and heart problems going into that 1st Tyson fight. Also Tyson was quickly regaining his aura of invincibility after knocking out 2 hw title holders in Bruno and Seldon in spectacular fashion and had 2 of the 3 hw titles.

Here's a fun fact. Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson gave the opinion that Mike Tyson would always lose to a Evander Holyfield no matter when they would have fought because Holyfield had the right style and tools to beat Tyson. 2 Cus Damato fighters said that.

The fight was proposed years after Mikes skills were declining but even then, much lesser fighters were dropping Holyfield, like Bert Cooper. Mike had very fast hands, even after he stopped moving his head and if you could be hit like Holyfield, then you were in trouble.

In the first fight after a 4 year lay off, there are really only a couple of points in that fight where Mike throws combinations. In the 5th and in the 9th, I think. He lands a couple of nice combinations and Holyfield looks as much confused as he does hurt. The version from 88 would have done that the entire fight, for as long as it lasted and he certainly wouldnt have been there to be hit back.

Holufields heart problem was to to his steroid use

Since the Evan Fields thing cropped up, where drugs were being sent to his address and he answered the number that had been given, he hasgiven the shit excuse that the growth hormone was for his dad!!!!

What a twat!

[Mark TKO]

55-45 overall in Lewis' favour I feel.

But once the first three rounds over with and Lewis was still around then that increases to 80-20 at least.

Tyson wasn't used to being in a tough fight back then. Lewis would have given him it

[ross]

55-45 overall in Lewis' favour I feel.

But once the first three rounds over with and Lewis was still around then that increases to 80-20 at least.

Tyson wasn't used to being in a tough fight back then. Lewis would have given him it

This is something else that gets me, look at the fights Mike had that went 12 rounds back then. He didnt tire or get gift decisions. He made fighters fight scared.

[generalbulldog]

Tyson had been in jail for 3 plus years when he faced Holyfield, he had been out of boxing for various reasons for 5 plus against Lewis. Those wins don't mean all that much as Tyson was done. Tyson had years of skills erosion, whilst those other two were refining their craft. They never met at equal junctures in their careers. Tyson beats both of them prime on prime.

Revisionanist history much Hindsight is a wonderful thing but ya just can't have it both ways. After a "shot" Holyfield who was being called a walking dead man going in, then yes, Tysons skills had hastily eroded.

I'd have loved a prime for prime Holyfield vs Tyson...if only Mike had not backed out years earlier.

Yeah, many people were worried for Holyfield's life because he didn't look that good in the Bobby Cyz fight. Holyfield was considered to be a shot fighter with stamina and heart problems going into that 1st Tyson fight. Also Tyson was quickly regaining his aura of invincibility after knocking out 2 hw title holders in Bruno and Seldon in spectacular fashion and had 2 of the 3 hw titles.

Here's a fun fact. Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson gave the opinion that Mike Tyson would always lose to a Evander Holyfield no matter when they would have fought because Holyfield had the right style and tools to beat Tyson. 2 Cus Damato fighters said that.

The fight was proposed years after Mikes skills were declining but even then, much lesser fighters were dropping Holyfield, like Bert Cooper. Mike had very fast hands, even after he stopped moving his head and if you could be hit like Holyfield, then you were in trouble.

In the first fight after a 4 year lay off, there are really only a couple of points in that fight where Mike throws combinations. In the 5th and in the 9th, I think. He lands a couple of nice combinations and Holyfield looks as much confused as he does hurt. The version from 88 would have done that the entire fight, for as long as it lasted and he certainly wouldnt have been there to be hit back.

Holufields heart problem was to to his steroid use

Since the Evan Fields thing cropped up, where drugs were being sent to his address and he answered the number that had been given, he hasgiven the shit excuse that the growth hormone was for his dad!!!!

What a twat!

The fight was 1st proposed in 1990 not years later when Tyson's skill was declining, let's not make stuff up.

In 1990 for a warmup fight against Douglass, Tyson got his ass whooped where Don King and Tyson fans till this day were trying to discredit Douglass as some bullshit long count. Holyfield and Tyson was suppose to fight in the fall of 1990 but Tyson got his ass ko.

And in 1991 after the 2nd RUddock fight Tyson was suppose to fight Holyfield in the fall but got a rib injury then caught a rape case.

And Styles make fights, who cares if Cooper dropped Holyfield? Holyfield was even backed by Cus D'amato fighters like Torres and Patterson that he just has Tyson's number and would kick his ass at any point in time. Even Teddy Atlas agreed with them. Tyson didn't have it to ever beat Holyfield.

[Master]

Tyson had been in jail for 3 plus years when he faced Holyfield, he had been out of boxing for various reasons for 5 plus against Lewis. Those wins don't mean all that much as Tyson was done. Tyson had years of skills erosion, whilst those other two were refining their craft. They never met at equal junctures in their careers. Tyson beats both of them prime on prime.

Revisionanist history much Hindsight is a wonderful thing but ya just can't have it both ways. After a "shot" Holyfield who was being called a walking dead man going in, then yes, Tysons skills had hastily eroded.

I'd have loved a prime for prime Holyfield vs Tyson...if only Mike had not backed out years earlier.

Yeah, many people were worried for Holyfield's life because he didn't look that good in the Bobby Cyz fight. Holyfield was considered to be a shot fighter with stamina and heart problems going into that 1st Tyson fight. Also Tyson was quickly regaining his aura of invincibility after knocking out 2 hw title holders in Bruno and Seldon in spectacular fashion and had 2 of the 3 hw titles.

Here's a fun fact. Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson gave the opinion that Mike Tyson would always lose to a Evander Holyfield no matter when they would have fought because Holyfield had the right style and tools to beat Tyson. 2 Cus Damato fighters said that.

You are forgetting that Tyson was avoiding fighting Lewis and relinquished the WBC title so he could fight Holyfield because he thought Holyfield was an easier option and it also implied that Tyson felt he was not able to beat Lewis. Tyson was not the same fighter when he came out of jail, he had manoeuvred his way to get a title but he had nothing left.

[Spicoli]

I'm still scratching my head on when this great erosion of skill happened in Tyson within the devistating ko of Spinks till the Douglas 1st bell a yr and few months later? Was it the 6,7 rounds in between vs chinny Williams or a deer in the headlights Bruno? I think it had more to do with finally running into a fluid mobile combination puncher who didn't shit himself when Mike yelled "boo" and had superior mental make up. All things Holyfield owned. That Cooper shot gets greatly blown out of proportion and it doesn't translate to Mike whacking him that easily if he had not pulled out. What, if it was Evander instead of Douglas vs a 'slipping' Tyson that Feb night the result would have same as well? Holyfield recovered btw and almost ripped Berts head off his shoulders, Mike, ehh, not so much.

[Master]

Tyson should have fought Holyfield earlier with hindsight, and fought him instead of Williams, Holyfield beat a Brazilian fighter in good fashion. Tyson would have won then but as Tyson's life unraveled, so did his discipline, skills and conditioning. It took years to get to that stage and months for it to fall apart.

[ross]

I'm still scratching my head on when this great erosion of skill happened in Tyson within the devistating ko of Spinks till the Douglas 1st bell a yr and few months later? Was it the 6,7 rounds in between vs chinny Williams or a deer in the headlights Bruno? I think it had more to do with finally running into a fluid mobile combination puncher who didn't shit himself when Mike yelled "boo" and had superior mental make up. All things Holyfield owned. That Cooper shot gets greatly blown out of proportion and it doesn't translate to Mike whacking him that easily if he had not pulled out. What, if it was Evander instead of Douglas vs a 'slipping' Tyson that Feb night the result would have same as well? Holyfield recovered btw and almost ripped Berts head off his shoulders, Mike, ehh, not so much.

Kevin Rooney said Mike wasnt training fully for the Spikns fight and just bulldozed in during the fight. He noticed as soon as King was in his head that Mike wasnt fully focused any more. Look at the Bruno fight, all those better fighters he fought but the laughing stock of the heavyweight division is the first to have a punch have any effect on him, as well as even land a decent shot.

Anyone that cant acknowledge that Mikes skills were not the same are just trying too hard to discredit his achievments and why I dont know. The Tyson that fought Douglas was nothing like the fighter that fought and beat Tucker, Tubbs and Holmes. Big difference in the skills on show.