Would Ortiz have been a better opponent for Manny than Marquez?

[Spicoli]

Love Ortizs rebound, his seemingly new found fire and intensity, but frankly he has yet to show that he commands a high profile top tier spotlight with world class guys. Yeh, he's big too but flaws remain and they were glaring vs a frozen Berto. The last thing he needs is to buy into the reborn mantra and find himself neck deep vs superior boxers than a Peterson and far more potent hitters then Berto. I think both Manny and Floyd handle him soundly right now unless both have slipped badly. For a earned payday he deserves it, but for longterm he should keep perspective and improve.

Jmm is old, his wear and tear is worn on his sleeve and while I hate the idea of him bulking up too high, I think with his experience and coming in smart with stamina in mind he will prove to be more effective than Ortiz. You can't substitute world class experience , rilvary and history between these two. If I had to pick between the two I give Marquez a far better shot here. He knows himself as a fighter much more so physically and mentally and equally knows Manny regardless of it being lastyear or many years ago.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

To those who see the Pacquiao-Marquez fight as JMM fighting above his ideal weight, I'm just curious. What do you think is Marquez ideal fighting weight (and I'm not talking about his weight the day before the fight)? And can you tell us at which fights JMM used those weights?

Ortiz had been knocked down a few times in his fight with Berto. If that was Pacquiao he was in with, he would not have lasted the full 12 rounds. Whereas Marquez hasn't been beaten by anyone not named Pacquiao or Mayweather since 2006. If we are to remove what some consider to be his controversial loses (to Pacquiao and Chris John) and not counting the loss to Mayweather, then he hasn't loss convincingly since 1999. I give experience here more credit than the age factor so I would say Marquez is a better opponent than Ortiz for Manny.

[Rantcatrat]

Both Spicoli and Neutral made some good points, I think.