Some Of The Old Timers Weigh In...... "MARCIANO"

[marbleheadmaui]

Marciano simply wrecked the division. I'm not sure one can ask for any more than that of a fighter. When he retired? It took the sport 18 months to find/develop the next guy in Floyd Patterson and to win acclaim he had to beat a guy the Rock had already beaten in Archie Moore.

Give me a break. He fought albeit not his fault in the weakest hev division in the history of the sport. He's the definition of a product of his environment. Get real people. He's Holmes with less to choose from and two of them over the hill almost kicked his head in. And Lastarza 1 give me a break.

He never wrecked anything off paper.

He did everything he could have done. That is what we know. Everything else is guesswork.

[IamInuit]

Marciano simply wrecked the division. I'm not sure one can ask for any more than that of a fighter. When he retired? It took the sport 18 months to find/develop the next guy in Floyd Patterson and to win acclaim he had to beat a guy the Rock had already beaten in Archie Moore.

Give me a break. He fought albeit not his fault in the weakest hev division in the history of the sport. He's the definition of a product of his environment. Get real people. He's Holmes with less to choose from and two of them over the hill almost kicked his head in. And Lastarza 1 give me a break.

He never wrecked anything off paper.

He did everything he could have done. That is what we know. Everything else is guesswork.

Never said anything otherwise but with that, he does not match up in the least with Ali. Langford has a better shot and he was 5'6.

[mafiajoey]

Marciano was the best HW of his era, fought the best fighters available during that time, and finished his career with a perfect 49-0, what more can you really ask of a HW champion?

It's possible Marciano gets beat by Ali, Holmes, Foreman or the bigger Heavyweights of the more modern era, but who cares, he did his thing.

BTW Joey, I think Pacquiao knocks Marciano out in about 3 rounds.

I agree.... maybe even round 1? (:

[Mars_ax]

Marciano was the best HW of his era, fought the best fighters available during that time, and finished his career with a perfect 49-0, what more can you really ask of a HW champion?

It's possible Marciano gets beat by Ali, Holmes, Foreman or the bigger Heavyweights of the more modern era, but who cares, he did his thing.

BTW Joey, I think Pacquiao knocks Marciano out in about 3 rounds.

Nobody is denying that. This thread resurrects itself on countless forums every year at least once. I try to ignore them the best I can but they beat me down after a time. Marciano gets full marks for doing what he did at the time he did it. He's a folk hero and that's cool.

This notion that because of that or some condo sized computer Marciano beats Ali is border line lunacy. That's not a personal shot at anyone but it is one directed at the very premise.

I try not to get into heavy discussions or arguments about who wins hypothetical all-timer matchups. Because although for example, prime Ali would likely have boxed circles around Marciano, busted up his face, and went on to win a UD/TKO, unless they actually fought each other, it's still just a guess. So why get serious, it ain't worth fussing about.

[mafiajoey]

Marciano was the best HW of his era, fought the best fighters available during that time, and finished his career with a perfect 49-0, what more can you really ask of a HW champion?

It's possible Marciano gets beat by Ali, Holmes, Foreman or the bigger Heavyweights of the more modern era, but who cares, he did his thing.

BTW Joey, I think Pacquiao knocks Marciano out in about 3 rounds.

Nobody is denying that. This thread resurrects itself on countless forums every year at least once. I try to ignore them the best I can but they beat me down after a time. Marciano gets full marks for doing what he did at the time he did it. He's a folk hero and that's cool.

This notion that because of that or some condo sized computer Marciano beats Ali is border line lunacy. That's not a personal shot at anyone but it is one directed at the very premise.

I try not to get into heavy discussions or arguments about who wins hypothetical all-timer matchups. Because although for example, prime Ali would likely have boxed circles around Marciano, busted up his face, and went on to win a UD/TKO, unless they actually fought each other, it's still just a guess. So why get serious, it ain't worth fussing about.

Thanks for the input on this one, you too Marble

[generalbulldog]

You're 32? Wow!

No disrespect but I had you down for about 15 with your childish Pac obsession.

Same here, I thought he was 16 or 17. Hell even threads that aren't Pac related has him talking about him.

[Andre]

Interesting for the posters in this thread:



Dude, knew what he was doing.

[FinitoElDinamita]

Marciano simply wrecked the division. I'm not sure one can ask for any more than that of a fighter. When he retired? It took the sport 18 months to find/develop the next guy in Floyd Patterson and to win acclaim he had to beat a guy the Rock had already beaten in Archie Moore.

Give me a break. He fought albeit not his fault in the weakest hev division in the history of the sport. He's the definition of a product of his environment. Get real people. He's Holmes with less to choose from and two of them over the hill almost kicked his head in. And Lastarza 1 give me a break.

He never wrecked anything off paper.

Can't disagree with this.

[FinitoElDinamita]

mafiajoey is Mils Mascaras?? If so, did he used to post on BOXREC because I remember Mascaras as being a good poster who knew alot about Mexican fighters..

[Mars_ax]

Nice Video Andre, too bad the quality of the film wasn't as good as it is now, so much information & history gets lost.

[brocktonblockbust]

probably to Haye but beats guys like Arreola, Adamek, Povetkin.

Theres my 2 cents

how the fuck did such a dumbass win the prediction contest? This time round Im exposing you, and beating you by 100 points come November.

[awdleyfuturehalloffamer]

What was the average height, reach, weight during Marciano's time? Up Marciano's body stats up over 30% to compensate for the lesser sizes of previous generations. Add to that personal trainers, better training techniques and diet. I bet Marciano could beat Vlad down to nothing if Marciano was 6'2", weighed 245, with an 80 inch wingspan.

[marbleheadmaui]

What was the average height, reach, weight during Marciano's time? Up Marciano's body stats up over 30% to compensate for the lesser sizes of previous generations. Add to that personal trainers, better training techniques and diet. I bet Marciano could beat Vlad down to nothing if Marciano was 6'2", weighed 245, with an 80 inch wingspan.

Ezzar4d Charles was 6', 73 inch reach, 190 or so
Walcott was 6', 74, 200
Lee Savold was 6', 74, 200
Nino Valdez was big at 6'3, 80 and 210
Roladn LaStarza was 6, 73, 190