Would Ortiz have been a better opponent for Manny than Marquez?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

To those who see the Pacquiao-Marquez fight as JMM fighting above his ideal weight, I'm just curious. What do you think is Marquez ideal fighting weight (and I'm not talking about his weight the day before the fight)? And can you tell us at which fights JMM used those weights?

Ortiz had been knocked down a few times in his fight with Berto. If that was Pacquiao he was in with, he would not have lasted the full 12 rounds. Whereas Marquez hasn't been beaten by anyone not named Pacquiao or Mayweather since 2006. If we are to remove what some consider to be his controversial loses (to Pacquiao and Chris John) and not counting the loss to Mayweather, then he hasn't loss convincingly since 1999. I give experience here more credit than the age factor so I would say Marquez is a better opponent than Ortiz for Manny.

[Rantcatrat]

Both Spicoli and Neutral made some good points, I think.