Haye-Wlad - HBO Face Off Video

[AdamGB]

I think it's more to do with the fact that Haye is speaking with colloquial English... whilst Wlad is speaking with textbook English.

If you are educated to speak a language, rather than immersed in a language and culture during your upbringing then of course you are going to speak it more purely.

Miles I'm assuming that being an English teacher, you already knew this... so I really don't see your point. I agree that the fact that English isn't Wlad's first language matters when assessing whether he is shook/shaken/shooken (:P) by Haye, as for Haye's grasp of English? It's completely irrelevant and just screams a bit of snobbery to be honest.

[brocktonblockbust]

ok Adam, another cool click.

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However I agree with Miles, I cant stand this modern coining of nonsensical vocab and bogus usage.

[AdamGB]

*sigh* go on then, have one back...

[brocktonblockbust]

thank you, sir

[Gandalf]

I think it's more to do with the fact that Haye is speaking with colloquial English... whilst Wlad is speaking with textbook English.

If you are educated to speak a language, rather than immersed in a language and culture during your upbringing then of course you are going to speak it more purely.

Miles I'm assuming that being an English teacher, you already knew this... so I really don't see your point. I agree that the fact that English isn't Wlad's first language matters when assessing whether he is shook/shaken/shooken (:P) by Haye, as for Haye's grasp of English? It's completely irrelevant and just screams a bit of snobbery to be honest.

I don't really know what your first two paragraphs are in reference to really.

Haye was the one talking about Wlad being 'shook'. It is low level dumb English and spoken in front of an audience. It isn't snobbery to point out that Haye doesn't even know how to speak standard English using correct grammatical forms. Haye was speaking English poorly and in a way that nobody should be using. It was awful.

In the heat of the moment the man had no idea how to use his language. That is the only point I was making. Otherwise I have no idea what you are going on about.

[Gandalf]

Wlad never strode into such weird unorthodoxies. Maybe it is because he has actually studied the language unlike Haye who gave up at 5 and decided he was quite fluent enough.

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unlike Haye who gave up at 5 and decided he was quite fluent enough.

[AdamGB]

You come across as fairly intelligent Miles... But I'm quite disappointed that what I've said has either sailed right over your head or your head is too hard to listen to any of it.

Again, I doubt that Haye's syntax/grammar suffered as a result of anything Wlad did or said, it just isn't up to your high standard and unless Haye is planning on hiding a dictionary in his gloves, that a highly developed grasp of the English language is going to help him much in the ring.

I guess it all comes down to what your priorities are and what you put stock in... The David Haye's of the world are probably happy enough making millions than they would be with having a highly developed grasp of English but they pro ably won't waste their time talking about your lack of physical development or accomplishment either... why would they? It's not something that you've chosen to pursue and vice versa.

Bottom line is that Haye's grammar has fuck all to do with this fight... I can't believe it's being discussed... Ridiculous.

[brocktonblockbust]

Bottom line is that Haye's grammar has fuck all to do with this fight... I can't believe it's being discussed... Ridiculous

Miles is just giving Haye a good kidney shot.

[Gandalf]

You come across as fairly intelligent Miles... But I'm quite disappointed that what I've said has either sailed right over your head or your head is too hard to listen to any of it.

Again, I doubt that Haye's syntax/grammar suffered as a result of anything Wlad did or said, it just isn't up to your high standard and unless Haye is planning on hiding a dictionary in his gloves, that a highly developed grasp of the English language is going to help him much in the ring.

I guess it all comes down to what your priorities are and what you put stock in... The David Haye's of the world are probably happy enough making millions than they would be with having a highly developed grasp of English but they pro ably won't waste their time talking about your lack of physical development or accomplishment either... why would they? It's not something that you've chosen to pursue and vice versa.

Bottom line is that Haye's grammar has fuck all to do with this fight... I can't believe it's being discussed... Ridiculous.

I am extremely intelligent, but i just be bothered. Haye has awful grammar, the fact that you can't see it speaks volumes. But no it isn't important and I am busy tonight anyway.

It's a basic point about fundamental lingusitics and that fact is that Wlad speaks better English than Haye.

Do we really care about this? I could get into the finer points of language if you really want, but as you realise it doesn't really matter.

[piye]

I am extremely intelligent, but i just be bothered. Haye has awful grammar, the fact that you can't see it speaks volumes.

[JazMerkin]

For fuck's sake Miles, and you wonder why people think you're a middle-class snob

I'm from near enough the same area as Haye and 'shook' means someone is scared or nervous. In fact, I think if you used that anywhere in London, people would understand what you mean. I've got a lot of views about Haye as a person & know a hell of a lot more things to make me think less of him than damn near anyone on here, but he in no way speaks bad English. He speaks colloquial English quite articulately and for a guy from South-East London uses very little slang, but one word that really shouldn't be that hard to get the meaning of & it's the end of the world.

Has Hatton's much poorer use of the English language ever bothered you Miles?

[AdamGB]

You come across as fairly intelligent Miles... But I'm quite disappointed that what I've said has either sailed right over your head or your head is too hard to listen to any of it.

Again, I doubt that Haye's syntax/grammar suffered as a result of anything Wlad did or said, it just isn't up to your high standard and unless Haye is planning on hiding a dictionary in his gloves, that a highly developed grasp of the English language is going to help him much in the ring.

I guess it all comes down to what your priorities are and what you put stock in... The David Haye's of the world are probably happy enough making millions than they would be with having a highly developed grasp of English but they pro ably won't waste their time talking about your lack of physical development or accomplishment either... why would they? It's not something that you've chosen to pursue and vice versa.

Bottom line is that Haye's grammar has fuck all to do with this fight... I can't believe it's being discussed... Ridiculous.

I am extremely intelligent, but i just be bothered. Haye has awful grammar, the fact that you can't see it speaks volumes. But no it isn't important and I am busy tonight anyway.

It's a basic point about fundamental linguistics and that fact is that Wlad speaks better English than Haye.

Do we really care about this? I could get into the finer points of language if you really want, but as you realise it doesn't really matter.

I could easily say that the fact that you place so much importance in Haye's grammar and laud your supposed knowledge of the English language over others speaks volumes about you, no?

But it's not even that I can't see that Haye doesn't speak text book English... I'm just not bothered by it.

Why would I be?
Miles, if you were extremely intelligent you'd probably realise that this is a boxing forum... not a linguistics forum. I don't really want to debate whether or not basic social skills fall under the same spectrum as what you would define as intellect though, we'll save that for another day.

The fact remains -

The only thing going into the ring next week are each man's boxing skills... their grammar skills will have their feet up watching the fight on TV.

It would be quite interesting to assess the grammar of some of your favorite boxers and see how well they score... actually fuck it... no it wouldn't.

This is a boxing board.

[armin]

Saw the video and not sure in what sense haye was using "shook". if he meant scarred no, if he meant "dam this dudes actually mad and might jump over the table and strangle me" then he might be correct. I think we are all reading way to much into all this junk anyways. we think its a big hwy fight but honestly don't think its any bigger than any of wlads previous bouts. I don't think the average american sports watcher is even aware this is happening, nothing about it on espn or anywhere just hbo advertising it on their other boxing broadcasts.