The Hype with Saul Alverez (apologies if spelt incorrectly!)

[Rantcatrat]

Oakley, I completely see where you are coming from. Alvarez has looked good, not great, yet he is headlining HBO shows, doing impressive television ratings and selling out soccer stadiums. He's a rock star in Mexico. Generally, when prospects move up the ranks to facing top 10-20 boxers, they are fighting on ESPN2 or the undercard of HBO after dark shows. For example, Vanes Martirosyan is a former US Olympian of a similar world ranking as Alvarez who hasn't got near the exposure. Something doesn't add up. Much the same with Chavez Jr. You are correct that it has a lot to do with the novelty of a fair-skinned, red-haired Mexican.

All that said, he is only 20, we should give him time to develop. He doesn't belong in the ring with any top boxer at 154 now or in the near future. He wouldn't beat Angulo, Dzinziruk, or Cotto. However, as boxing fans, we should embrace him to an extent because his popularity is good for the sport. Let's just not allow the hype surrounding him to cloud our judgment of his actual boxing skill level. A good test for him is his mandatory - Vanes Martirosyan.

[Spicoli]

He is a very methodical strong kid with solid head and body attack. He also has great promotional ties and def is being groomed as the next golden child of sorts. The buzz is warranted but the hype can be blinding in this sport. He has had solid showcase platforms afforded to him on HBO against two spirited heavy bags and frankly it wasn't a question of 'who' but 'when' going into those. You could almost see him working on things in there, not exactly carrying them late but feeling and learning stamina which I get the feeling might be an issue. He has the best of both worlds with massive exposure, a world title and has not had to fight monsters to get it. He's been carefully matched for a guy with 38 fights, I dont care if he's 13 or 20. Hype and anointing a quality talent on a massive stage can be their downfall as everything is emphasized and undoubtedly scrutinized but he has got people talking and generated buzz so there is no going back now. Its time to step it up in comp.

[Kev]

It is strange to see him headlining HBO cards. Showtime fair enough, but a HBO main event seems a little early. But there's a lot of interest I guess and HBO put the fighters on that people want to see.

I do think he will be more Joel Julio than Floyd Mayweather as young prospects go.

[Spicoli]

It is strange to see him headlining HBO cards. Showtime fair enough, but a HBO main event seems a little early. But there's a lot of interest I guess and HBO put the fighters on that people want to see.

I do think he will be more Joel Julio than Floyd Mayweather as young prospects go.

Yeh I think its a bad turn when it becomes more "American Idol" in grooming stars for HBO than making solid competive fights for fans. More and more we except it. Ya just shouldn't settle for seeing a great prospect in a one sided show where all things seem just a formality rather than an actual question. He's 20, I know

[boxingbantz]

It is strange to see him headlining HBO cards. Showtime fair enough, but a HBO main event seems a little early. But there's a lot of interest I guess and HBO put the fighters on that people want to see.

I do think he will be more Joel Julio than Floyd Mayweather as young prospects go.

Considering how much exposure they give Andre Berto, I think this pours some doubt on that argument.

[Fenster]

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

[killersheep]

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Good thing he's fighting at 154 then no? His handlers will never put him in with Sergio Martinez, Cotto is starting to show his years. And that about wraps it up.

[Fenster]

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Good thing he's fighting at 154 then no? His handlers will never put him in with Sergio Martinez, Cotto is starting to show his years. And that about wraps it up.

Exactly. Mexifraud ain't ever getting near Martinez or even an ancient Cotto.

I've heard Golden Boy are already in talks with Colin Lynes, Young Mutley and Bradley Pryce for the Mexifraud's next outing. Fact.

[Dropanuke]

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Man Rhodes is the best light middle we got!! He wouldn't have been in Mexico otherwise!
We havnt got better welters either.

[Spicoli]

I think of a Berto and how he was rushed into limelight and not properly prepared. Once you get to the top and have yet to refine basics and skill set its all learning on the job against far better comp. Doesn't always turn out well. He's far more refined and 'aware' than Berto I think, more experience on paper in number of bouts but he needs work to hone up, dude has holes. I'm not calling him a Berto but waaaay to much rush to market with some guys. Quality over quantity. Will take time but they better take it easy pushing into a top tier. Bit of a catch 22. He's already a "star" on main stage but adversity will only get deeper and deeper.

[Violent Demise]

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Wonder what fool claimed Rhodes would give him problems? Sucking his dick and spitting such nonsense like "Alvarez is made for Rhodes" "Rhodes is a great counter puncher". "Rhodes has power in both hands". "Rhodes has never lost at 154" "Rhodes will be his hardest opponent" Blah, blah, blah. Rhodes chump ass couldn't even do as good as Lanardo Tyner. Fool didn't even try. Fucking disgrace he was. If the UK had any sense of pride they will murder Rhodes as soon as he steps off the plane.

[Fenster]

Typical overhyped Mexifraud. Fact.

Guy has everything in his favour - home advantage, ref, judges, crowd, promotion and still can't easily dispatch two mediocre British, in fact less than mediocre, fighters.

24 rounds with two toilet Brits that ain't even the best in their own country. Pathetic.

Mexifraud will be destroyed the minute he meets a decent fighter. Fact.

Wonder what fool claimed Rhodes would give him problems? Sucking his dick and spitting such nonsense like "Alvarez is made for Rhodes" "Rhodes is a great counter puncher". "Rhodes has power in both hands". "Rhodes has never lost at 154" "Rhodes will be his hardest opponent" Blah, blah, blah. Rhodes chump ass couldn't even do as good as Lanardo Tyner. Fool didn't even try. Fucking disgrace he was. If the UK had any sense of pride they will murder Rhodes as soon as he steps off the plane.

I don't know who stated all of that.

Whoever said - "Rhodes has never lost at 154" - was telling an unequivocal fact. So that guy is clearly clued up. Fact.

Whoever said - "Alvarez is made for Rhodes" - was proven unequivocally correct. Fact. A prime Rhodes, which makes him faster, probably twice as fast, more hungry and fighting at home without the bias crowd jeering his every move forward, and cheering every punch that misses him, schools the Mexifraud. Fact.

Only a fucking idiot can't see that. Fact.

[Mars_ax]

]It is strange to see him headlining HBO cards. [/B]Showtime fair enough, but a HBO main event seems a little early. But there's a lot of interest I guess and HBO put the fighters on that people want to see.

I do think he will be more Joel Julio than Floyd Mayweather as young prospects go.

Last night's fight was on HBO's Boxing after Dark (B.A.D.), it features fighters like Alvarez, HBO's World Class Boxing (W.C.B.) is a step up from B.A.D., so it's not all that strange to see Alvarez headlining a B.A.D. card.

I believe you're underestimating this kid if you see him as another Joel Julio, he's much better even at 20 then Julio has ever been in his entire career. Canelo might not be the next Pacquiao, but right now he's got an extremely bright future.

[Fenster]

Yeah I generally agree with you Bilbo about Alvarez. He's good but I doubt great. But we'll see. Although I didn't realise this kid was considered good looking? That's a weird one to me...

[marbleheadmaui]

Yeah I generally agree with you Bilbo about Alvarez. He's good but I doubt great. But we'll see. Although I didn't realise this kid was considered good looking? That's a weird one to me...

During the interview he looked like a cartoon character I thought.