fraud maywheater afraid?

[El Gamo]

I nither like or dislike Floyd, so maybe i can bring an impartial view to this.

If Floyd takes a fight for less money, or a lesser fighter than this offer then he rightly is a Fraud.

I have just looked at that facts and they are clear as day. Floyd wants fights that generate big money, and high profile, he is a cocky self-admiring person. So first off he has the chance to fight for the biggest pay day of his life by far. He also has the chance to add on more notch to his record, one more belt to his collection.

So whats stopping him? his 'past victories' ? I'm sorry but if thats any part of a reason then thats bullshit. You know why people like Ali are said the be the greatest? coz he was undefeated? nop.. record defences? nop.. 'coz he fought anyone and everyone who had the go-betweens to get in the ring with him. Of course his sublime talent was a major factor, but i highly doubt people would think of Ali as 'the greatest of all time' if he had shimmied out of a fight with people using his past wins as the reason why..

Last time i checked being the world champ meant you are the best? to be the best you must first beat the best (or hope the move up and vacate the belt:P) but to stay the best, and be rememberd as the best, means keep fighting the best! I can't get over the fact people are saying about his 'past' fights! Yes when hes hung his gloves up admire his wins then, but not now becoming a champ and then taking the easy rode is bullshit.

IMO there are only 2 name out there he could fight and save face, Oscar for the money, 'coz if u can't understand the fact he could get $20 then i think ur a lil simple, the other being winky, i think winky is to big bla bla, but other than Toni (mainly coz of the fuss Toni kicked and the money offered)

To the PBF haters..

Don't go making ass's of your selves just yet. Give the boy a fight and w8 for him to name his second fight if it comes to it. We don't know what hes got planned, yes 8mill is allot. But Floyd seems like a boy who knows a thing or 2, who's to say this isn't a game he is playing, a game to make 'us all' think he is scared make them pi$$ed of to offer even MORE money. If he goes on and beats Toni, pockets say $10mill, then your gunna look a right bunch of idiots then... (and we Will have to hear the 'pretty boys' go on and on about how good their boy is)

To the Floyd fans...

Don't dewl on his other wins, unless he is ready to retire now he still has many fights ahead of him unless he wants to be rememberd as a 'ducker' or a 'fraud' hes a champ, regardless of who he HAS beaten, that was then and this is now.. unless she has something planned there is no valid reason why he shouldn't be fighting Toni

Thats my thoughts on the matter, now i look forward to see what he has got planned.

Nice,CC. And I agree totally,maybe I am jumping the gun but I don't understand what the wait is for,there are no other fights out there that will make Floyd as much or give him as much of a share! And you're DAM right,IF they fight and Tony is made to look like a chump,I'm going to find Tony and beat the shat out of him myself!! Also,like I stress,I don't HATE on Floyd,I just want to see him fight the dangerous fighters,to fight the best!

[BrooklyniteQueen]

I don't think Floyd is afraid. But I think he just wants to get hus quote unquote legacy certified before he takes a risk that way if and when he loses to Tony his legacy would have already been impressive(on paper) But we'll know the true case. Nobody is knocking what Floyd has already accomplished, but we're talking about the here and the now, he could have fought godzilla but ducking king kong doesn't make it any better

[babyboNe]

okay lets make this simple...

out of the top 3 p4p...

who takes the most risk...
who fights the very and only best around every division his been in...
who doesn't give a f**k about how much money he'll get for a fight...


no legend is remember for how much cheese he got for a fight...he was remember for who he fought and the way he battle agianst other great fighter...

now whos the last great fighter floyd is going to be remember fighting? uhh.........gatti zab ?

winky got mosley twice and he got tito...a drew with j.t

pac ko'ed barrera and morales...drew with jmm...

compare those name to who floyd been fighting...and pac and winky went after all that were great right when they became known worlwide they in the rush for greatness...floyd is more a business man...calculating his cash and matches...

like pointed out earlier...ali is remember as the greatesst because he fought every great fighter in his era...he wasn't undeafeated he didn't put on sparring sessions against b contenders he fought A fighters...

I'm not hating on floyd I"m just revealling facts none want to open thier eyes on...he was to take the fight with toni now...then start running his mouth he beat hatton next or any want to call him out...we won't have this debate...because as the best why the hell did you fight mitchell and zab both already got a$s handed to them...

floyds been fighting tune up fights for what three years now...

pac and winky barely have tune ups...they just go after the great fighters...from the get go
floyd ain't living in the danger zone pac and winky survives in... its not fair to pac and winky to list floyd as king...

[frozensolid_702]

okay lets make this simple...

out of the top 3 p4p...

who takes the most risk...
who fights the very and only best around every division his been in...
who doesn't give a f**k about how much money he'll get for a fight...


no legend is remember for how much cheese he got for a fight...he was remember for who he fought and the way he battle agianst other great fighter...

now whos the last great fighter floyd is going to be remember fighting? uhh.........gatti zab ?

winky got mosley twice and he got tito...a drew with j.t

pac ko'ed barrera and morales...drew with jmm...

compare those name to who floyd been fighting...and pac and winky went after all that were great right when they became known worlwide they in the rush for greatness...floyd is more a business man...calculating his cash and matches...

like pointed out earlier...ali is remember as the greatesst because he fought every great fighter in his era...he wasn't undeafeated he didn't put on sparring sessions against b contenders he fought A fighters...

I'm not hating on floyd I"m just revealling facts none want to open thier eyes on...he was to take the fight with toni now...then start running his mouth he beat hatton next or any want to call him out...we won't have this debate...because as the best why the hell did you fight mitchell and zab both already got a$s handed to them...

floyds been fighting tune up fights for what three years now...

pac and winky barely have tune ups...they just go after the great fighters...from the get go
floyd ain't living in the danger zone pac and winky survives in... its not fair to pac and winky to list floyd as king...

the fight with zab was already a done deal BEFORE he fought zab (at the time, the critics were running on about how floyd was afraid, and would lose to zab) the venue was set......it was already done

zab loses........yeah, that messed stuff up but they went through anyways cuz there was nobody else

hmmmm.............. why would he fight mitchell??

maybe because he was the 2nd best welter weight southpaw at the time (there were questions about floyds being able to hang with a good southpaw) behind zab judah, not to mention that was floyds 1st fight at ww

starting to make sense??
i hope so, cuz if not i gotta bottle of cognac waiting for me when i get home and im gonna put up a great read as soon as i get off work (i dont have time here at work) .......perhaps

[Lords Gym]

"You want to see him fight Toney...but not everyone does. Toney pulls about as much weight as his last opponent did...very little." wacko3205


cc...wacko....i agree w/ your point that PBF is not a fraud. but i disagree w/ you on the amount of weight tony pulls. if your referring to $ and fans you seem not to recognize the huge amount of buzz this would create around the Latino community (especially w/ the Mexican American fans) this would be a huge fight IMO. ppl would want to see it and would pay to see it. i understand all your points on tony not deserving a shot at "the almighty" but IMO casual fans don't give S*** and in the end they are the ones behind the $. of course money is not everything PBF has to think about his legacy . but if hes not going to fight tony, then who should he fight? who would be worthy of stepping into the ring w/ PBF?

1.tony is Mexican American = $/fans
2.tony is from Tijuana = $/fans
3.tony trains in Cali = $/fans
4.tony is calling out PBF = $/fans
5.tony beat F.Randell = $/fans (why? because Randell beat JCC and fans love that tony beat down on Randell)

Fair enough, now my case for Mayweather- Tszyu !
1 Tszyu is Russian fighting out of Australia =$/fan
2. Tszyu trains in Australia= $/Fans
3.Tszyu Knocked out Roger Mayweather Floyds Uncle ( a Revenge match) = $/fans
4. Tszyu is a big named fighter= $/fans
5. Tszyu knocked out Zudah= $/fans
6. Tszyu is a great fighter on your Resume/ Who has Margarito beat? Cintron who is still learning the art ?

[Hairdoo]

a picture tells a thousand words

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1azgm...d%20mayweather

I can never watch that too many times! damn he is good, I wish he stayed below welter.

[Lords Gym]

a picture tells a thousand words

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1azgm...d%20mayweather

I can never watch that too many times! damn he is good, I wish he stayed below welter.

i agree, ! CC

[Violent Demise]

"You want to see him fight Toney...but not everyone does. Toney pulls about as much weight as his last opponent did...very little." wacko3205


cc...wacko....i agree w/ your point that PBF is not a fraud. but i disagree w/ you on the amount of weight tony pulls. if your referring to $ and fans you seem not to recognize the huge amount of buzz this would create around the Latino community (especially w/ the Mexican American fans) this would be a huge fight IMO. ppl would want to see it and would pay to see it. i understand all your points on tony not deserving a shot at "the almighty" but IMO casual fans don't give S*** and in the end they are the ones behind the $. of course money is not everything PBF has to think about his legacy . but if hes not going to fight tony, then who should he fight? who would be worthy of stepping into the ring w/ PBF?

1.tony is Mexican American = $/fans
2.tony is from Tijuana = $/fans
3.tony trains in Cali = $/fans
4.tony is calling out PBF = $/fans
5.tony beat F.Randell = $/fans (why? because Randell beat JCC and fans love that tony beat down on Randell)

You got be fucking kidding me? This is one of the worst posts of the year. It's filled with pure nonsense. Being Mexican American brings in money and fans when the fighter is good. That's why Morales and Barerra matter. But Emmanuel Lucero and Hector Velazquez don't. The fact that he's from T.J and trains in Cal means nothing. No body cares what gym he trains in. I know. I live in Los Angeles. How is calling out Mayweather going to bring more money and fans? Junior Witter's been doing it. I doubt he's gain anything by it. Mayweather is P4P #1. Everybody is calling him out! As for beating Frankie Randall? That point alone change this post from bad to straight stupid. Chavez beat Randall in there rematch. To the Mexican people, he avenged that loss. I know, I'm Mexican American. Not only that, by the time Margarito beat Randall. Randall had already loss to Oba Carr and Michele Piccirillo. Margarito beat a shot Frankie Randall. His win means nothing. Nothing you can say, can make Margarito a worthy opponent. Why? Cuz he hasn't done anthing to be called a worthy opponent! Mayweather might as well fight Kirino Garcia. He's Mexican. He's from Juarez and has trained in Los Angeles before. And he beat Frankie Randall, too. As well as Simon Brown and Meldrick Taylor. Plus, he was robbed against David Reid. Based on the points you made, Garcia is more worthy than Margarito. Fukk Floyd Mayweather-Antonio Margarito. It should be Floyd Mayweather-Kirino Garcia.

[frozensolid_702]

"You want to see him fight Toney...but not everyone does. Toney pulls about as much weight as his last opponent did...very little." wacko3205


cc...wacko....i agree w/ your point that PBF is not a fraud. but i disagree w/ you on the amount of weight tony pulls. if your referring to $ and fans you seem not to recognize the huge amount of buzz this would create around the Latino community (especially w/ the Mexican American fans) this would be a huge fight IMO. ppl would want to see it and would pay to see it. i understand all your points on tony not deserving a shot at "the almighty" but IMO casual fans don't give S*** and in the end they are the ones behind the $. of course money is not everything PBF has to think about his legacy . but if hes not going to fight tony, then who should he fight? who would be worthy of stepping into the ring w/ PBF?

1.tony is Mexican American = $/fans
2.tony is from Tijuana = $/fans
3.tony trains in Cali = $/fans
4.tony is calling out PBF = $/fans
5.tony beat F.Randell = $/fans (why? because Randell beat JCC and fans love that tony beat down on Randell)

You got be F****** kidding me? This is one of the worst posts of the year. It's filled with pure nonsense. Being Mexican American brings in money and fans when the fighter is good. That's why Morales and Barerra matter. But Emmanuel Lucero and Hector Velazquez don't. The fact that he's from T.J and trains in Cal means nothing. No body cares what gym he trains in. I know. I live in Los Angeles. How is calling out Mayweather going to bring more money and fans? Junior Witter's been doing it. I doubt he's gain anything by it. Mayweather is P4P #1. Everybody is calling him out! As for beating Frankie Randall? That point alone change this post from bad to straight stupid. Chavez beat Randall in there rematch. To the Mexican people, he avenged that loss. I know, I'm Mexican American. Not only that, by the time Margarito beat Randall. Randall had already loss to Oba Carr and Michele Piccirillo. Margarito beat a shot Frankie Randall. His win means nothing. Nothing you can say, can make Margarito a worthy opponent. Why? Cuz he hasn't done anthing to be called a worthy opponent! Mayweather might as well fight Kirino Garcia. He's Mexican. He's from Juarez and has trained in Los Angeles before. And he beat Frankie Randall, too. As well as Simon Brown and Meldrick Taylor. Plus, he was robbed against David Reid. Based on the points you made, Garcia is more worthy than Margarito. Fukk Floyd Mayweather-Antonio Margarito. It should be Floyd Mayweather-Kirino Garcia.

fantastic job of bringing up so many valid points
i would cc you a million times, i would...........but since i cant i'll just give you one big one

(the margarito fans wont even acknowledge the points you brought up, they will just keep posting nonsense and ignoring the truth...........as they do when anybody makes a case against him)

[Violent Demise]

"You want to see him fight Toney...but not everyone does. Toney pulls about as much weight as his last opponent did...very little." wacko3205


cc...wacko....i agree w/ your point that PBF is not a fraud. but i disagree w/ you on the amount of weight tony pulls. if your referring to $ and fans you seem not to recognize the huge amount of buzz this would create around the Latino community (especially w/ the Mexican American fans) this would be a huge fight IMO. ppl would want to see it and would pay to see it. i understand all your points on tony not deserving a shot at "the almighty" but IMO casual fans don't give S*** and in the end they are the ones behind the $. of course money is not everything PBF has to think about his legacy . but if hes not going to fight tony, then who should he fight? who would be worthy of stepping into the ring w/ PBF?

1.tony is Mexican American = $/fans
2.tony is from Tijuana = $/fans
3.tony trains in Cali = $/fans
4.tony is calling out PBF = $/fans
5.tony beat F.Randell = $/fans (why? because Randell beat JCC and fans love that tony beat down on Randell)

You got be F****** kidding me? This is one of the worst posts of the year. It's filled with pure nonsense. Being Mexican American brings in money and fans when the fighter is good. That's why Morales and Barerra matter. But Emmanuel Lucero and Hector Velazquez don't. The fact that he's from T.J and trains in Cal means nothing. No body cares what gym he trains in. I know. I live in Los Angeles. How is calling out Mayweather going to bring more money and fans? Junior Witter's been doing it. I doubt he's gain anything by it. Mayweather is P4P #1. Everybody is calling him out! As for beating Frankie Randall? That point alone change this post from bad to straight stupid. Chavez beat Randall in there rematch. To the Mexican people, he avenged that loss. I know, I'm Mexican American. Not only that, by the time Margarito beat Randall. Randall had already loss to Oba Carr and Michele Piccirillo. Margarito beat a shot Frankie Randall. His win means nothing. Nothing you can say, can make Margarito a worthy opponent. Why? Cuz he hasn't done anthing to be called a worthy opponent! Mayweather might as well fight Kirino Garcia. He's Mexican. He's from Juarez and has trained in Los Angeles before. And he beat Frankie Randall, too. As well as Simon Brown and Meldrick Taylor. Plus, he was robbed against David Reid. Based on the points you made, Garcia is more worthy than Margarito. Fukk Floyd Mayweather-Antonio Margarito. It should be Floyd Mayweather-Kirino Garcia.

fantastic job of bringing up so many valid points
i would cc you a million times, i would...........but since i cant i'll just give you one big one

(the margarito fans wont even acknowledge the points you brought up, they will just keep posting nonsense and ignoring the truth...........as they do when anybody makes a case against him)

All people got to do, is look at the facts. It's that simple. Facts don't lie. You can't make Margarito good or worth. Why? Cuz there ain't no FACTS to back it up! Cc back.

[frozensolid_702]

"You want to see him fight Toney...but not everyone does. Toney pulls about as much weight as his last opponent did...very little." wacko3205


cc...wacko....i agree w/ your point that PBF is not a fraud. but i disagree w/ you on the amount of weight tony pulls. if your referring to $ and fans you seem not to recognize the huge amount of buzz this would create around the Latino community (especially w/ the Mexican American fans) this would be a huge fight IMO. ppl would want to see it and would pay to see it. i understand all your points on tony not deserving a shot at "the almighty" but IMO casual fans don't give S*** and in the end they are the ones behind the $. of course money is not everything PBF has to think about his legacy . but if hes not going to fight tony, then who should he fight? who would be worthy of stepping into the ring w/ PBF?

1.tony is Mexican American = $/fans
2.tony is from Tijuana = $/fans
3.tony trains in Cali = $/fans
4.tony is calling out PBF = $/fans
5.tony beat F.Randell = $/fans (why? because Randell beat JCC and fans love that tony beat down on Randell)

You got be F****** kidding me? This is one of the worst posts of the year. It's filled with pure nonsense. Being Mexican American brings in money and fans when the fighter is good. That's why Morales and Barerra matter. But Emmanuel Lucero and Hector Velazquez don't. The fact that he's from T.J and trains in Cal means nothing. No body cares what gym he trains in. I know. I live in Los Angeles. How is calling out Mayweather going to bring more money and fans? Junior Witter's been doing it. I doubt he's gain anything by it. Mayweather is P4P #1. Everybody is calling him out! As for beating Frankie Randall? That point alone change this post from bad to straight stupid. Chavez beat Randall in there rematch. To the Mexican people, he avenged that loss. I know, I'm Mexican American. Not only that, by the time Margarito beat Randall. Randall had already loss to Oba Carr and Michele Piccirillo. Margarito beat a shot Frankie Randall. His win means nothing. Nothing you can say, can make Margarito a worthy opponent. Why? Cuz he hasn't done anthing to be called a worthy opponent! Mayweather might as well fight Kirino Garcia. He's Mexican. He's from Juarez and has trained in Los Angeles before. And he beat Frankie Randall, too. As well as Simon Brown and Meldrick Taylor. Plus, he was robbed against David Reid. Based on the points you made, Garcia is more worthy than Margarito. Fukk Floyd Mayweather-Antonio Margarito. It should be Floyd Mayweather-Kirino Garcia.

fantastic job of bringing up so many valid points
i would cc you a million times, i would...........but since i cant i'll just give you one big one

(the margarito fans wont even acknowledge the points you brought up, they will just keep posting nonsense and ignoring the truth...........as they do when anybody makes a case against him)

All people got to do, is look at the facts. It's that simple. Facts don't lie. You can't make Margarito good or worth. Why? Cuz there ain't no FACTS to back it up! Cc back.

exactly.......

i think margarito would be better served fighting ANY of these guys

quintana
williams
judah
mitchell
santos

if he beats ANY of them, then maybe there will be some credibility to this discussion.
but instead he beats KERMIT CINTRON, and now hes demanding a shot with the #1 p4p fighter on the planet (and the payday that goes with it)

and i suppose floyd has been SOOOOOO SCARED of margarito that he decided to take the easy way out and fight......................OSCAR DELAHOYA

its ridiculous




btw........these are all guys who said they would fight margarito

[Lords Gym]

No to disrespect to Margarito or Margarito fans , but he just needs a few name wins under belt before claiming he deserves a fight with Floyd and before everyone says he is the best out there . Beat a few top guys and then make your case, that’s all I am saying. He needs to avenge the loss to Daniel Santos in 2004 for a starter.

[Lords Gym]

[/quote]



exactly.......

i think margarito would be better served fighting ANY of these guys

quintana
williams
judah
mitchell
santos

if he beats ANY of them, then maybe there will be some credibility to this discussion.
but instead he beats KERMIT CINTRON, and now hes demanding a shot with the #1 p4p fighter on the planet (and the payday that goes with it)

and i suppose floyd has been SOOOOOO SCARED of margarito that he decided to take the easy way out and fight......................OSCAR DELAHOYA

its ridiculous




btw........these are all guys who said they would fight margarito
[/quote]

you read my mind ! CC

[frozensolid_702]

exactly.......

i think margarito would be better served fighting ANY of these guys

quintana
williams
judah
mitchell
santos

if he beats ANY of them, then maybe there will be some credibility to this discussion.
but instead he beats KERMIT CINTRON, and now hes demanding a shot with the #1 p4p fighter on the planet (and the payday that goes with it)

and i suppose floyd has been SOOOOOO SCARED of margarito that he decided to take the easy way out and fight......................OSCAR DELAHOYA

its ridiculous




btw........these are all guys who said they would fight margarito
[/quote]

you read my mind ! CC
[/quote]



cc back!

[Hairdoo]

"You want to see him fight Toney...but not everyone does. Toney pulls about as much weight as his last opponent did...very little." wacko3205


cc...wacko....i agree w/ your point that PBF is not a fraud. but i disagree w/ you on the amount of weight tony pulls. if your referring to $ and fans you seem not to recognize the huge amount of buzz this would create around the Latino community (especially w/ the Mexican American fans) this would be a huge fight IMO. ppl would want to see it and would pay to see it. i understand all your points on tony not deserving a shot at "the almighty" but IMO casual fans don't give S*** and in the end they are the ones behind the $. of course money is not everything PBF has to think about his legacy . but if hes not going to fight tony, then who should he fight? who would be worthy of stepping into the ring w/ PBF?

1.tony is Mexican American = $/fans
2.tony is from Tijuana = $/fans
3.tony trains in Cali = $/fans
4.tony is calling out PBF = $/fans
5.tony beat F.Randell = $/fans (why? because Randell beat JCC and fans love that tony beat down on Randell)

You got be F****** kidding me? This is one of the worst posts of the year. It's filled with pure nonsense. Being Mexican American brings in money and fans when the fighter is good. That's why Morales and Barerra matter. But Emmanuel Lucero and Hector Velazquez don't. The fact that he's from T.J and trains in Cal means nothing. No body cares what gym he trains in. I know. I live in Los Angeles. How is calling out Mayweather going to bring more money and fans? Junior Witter's been doing it. I doubt he's gain anything by it. Mayweather is P4P #1. Everybody is calling him out! As for beating Frankie Randall? That point alone change this post from bad to straight stupid. Chavez beat Randall in there rematch. To the Mexican people, he avenged that loss. I know, I'm Mexican American. Not only that, by the time Margarito beat Randall. Randall had already loss to Oba Carr and Michele Piccirillo. Margarito beat a shot Frankie Randall. His win means nothing. Nothing you can say, can make Margarito a worthy opponent. Why? Cuz he hasn't done anthing to be called a worthy opponent! Mayweather might as well fight Kirino Garcia. He's Mexican. He's from Juarez and has trained in Los Angeles before. And he beat Frankie Randall, too. As well as Simon Brown and Meldrick Taylor. Plus, he was robbed against David Reid. Based on the points you made, Garcia is more worthy than Margarito. Fukk Floyd Mayweather-Antonio Margarito. It should be Floyd Mayweather-Kirino Garcia.

fantastic job of bringing up so many valid points
i would cc you a million times, i would...........but since i cant i'll just give you one big one

(the margarito fans wont even acknowledge the points you brought up, they will just keep posting nonsense and ignoring the truth...........as they do when anybody makes a case against him)

All people got to do, is look at the facts. It's that simple. Facts don't lie. You can't make Margarito good or worth. Why? Cuz there ain't no FACTS to back it up! Cc back.

exactly.......

i think margarito would be better served fighting ANY of these guys

quintana
williams
judah
mitchell
santos

if he beats ANY of them, then maybe there will be some credibility to this discussion.
but instead he beats KERMIT CINTRON, and now hes demanding a shot with the #1 p4p fighter on the planet (and the payday that goes with it)

and i suppose floyd has been SOOOOOO SCARED of margarito that he decided to take the easy way out and fight......................OSCAR DELAHOYA

its ridiculous




btw........these are all guys who said they would fight margarito

excellent points from both of you...









but I have to ask... are you guys falling in love?