Wlad's best win??

[Gandalf]

Of course I am all the things you are not.

You have still made some errors though, there are different degrees of shit and Wlad's opponents are quite clearly superior to Haye's. He has talked his way into this shot, he really hasn't earned it and that is why he is going to be crushed. Just too small and hasn't done enough work to prepare for it. If it was such hard work to deal with Valuev, then how on earth is he going to deal with a bigger man that actually knows some of the craft? He's going to be stopped horribly.

i havent made any errors, wlads opponents havent been clearly superior to hayes, you are just confused due to your bias towards this fight

highlighted by the words "hasnt done enough work to prepare for this fight"

not the charactoristics of an educated man

i can asure you, win lose or draw, haye has done as much work as humanly posible for this fight

and back to the opponents - they are all shit, one or two maybe marginally better than the others, but its a marginal amount of shit

Eh?

You very rarely make any sense. Maybe it is because I have problems tuning in with the chav psyche. So, basically you agree with me then. But then at the end you are saying that Barrett and Audley are only a little bit worse than Eddie Chambers? That's utter crap.

Haye hasn't put the work in and it doesn't need an educated man to point that out. He fights once a year, and as Lyle has pointed out, only fights very old men. None of his opponents have got him ready for this. He is talking it up like a big man, but he is likely cashing out to meet his retirement promises.

you are reading things that arent there

i said theyre all shit, some of them maybe marginally better than others, i never said which, i never said chambers was better than harrison

just to try and help you out with your argument, do you mean haye isnt prepared because he doesnt have the right experience? there is a difference between not being prepared and not having put the preparation in

i am starting to think you are lieing about being a teacher/lecturer, you dont come across old enough

I am possibly too young, not enough grey hair.

Haye hasn't beaten anyone that can suggest he can beat Wlad. There are no real common opponents and Haye's opponents are the lowest on the totem pole.

Haye as a belt holder hasn't beaten a top heavyweight, whilst Wlad has. That's the big distinction between the two. One has run his mouth and that is what this fight is about.

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[erics44]

Of course I am all the things you are not.

You have still made some errors though, there are different degrees of shit and Wlad's opponents are quite clearly superior to Haye's. He has talked his way into this shot, he really hasn't earned it and that is why he is going to be crushed. Just too small and hasn't done enough work to prepare for it. If it was such hard work to deal with Valuev, then how on earth is he going to deal with a bigger man that actually knows some of the craft? He's going to be stopped horribly.

i havent made any errors, wlads opponents havent been clearly superior to hayes, you are just confused due to your bias towards this fight

highlighted by the words "hasnt done enough work to prepare for this fight"

not the charactoristics of an educated man

i can asure you, win lose or draw, haye has done as much work as humanly posible for this fight

and back to the opponents - they are all shit, one or two maybe marginally better than the others, but its a marginal amount of shit

Eh?

You very rarely make any sense. Maybe it is because I have problems tuning in with the chav psyche. So, basically you agree with me then. But then at the end you are saying that Barrett and Audley are only a little bit worse than Eddie Chambers? That's utter crap.

Haye hasn't put the work in and it doesn't need an educated man to point that out. He fights once a year, and as Lyle has pointed out, only fights very old men. None of his opponents have got him ready for this. He is talking it up like a big man, but he is likely cashing out to meet his retirement promises.

you are reading things that arent there

i said theyre all shit, some of them maybe marginally better than others, i never said which, i never said chambers was better than harrison

just to try and help you out with your argument, do you mean haye isnt prepared because he doesnt have the right experience? there is a difference between not being prepared and not having put the preparation in

i am starting to think you are lieing about being a teacher/lecturer, you dont come across old enough

I am possibly too young, not enough grey hair.

Haye hasn't beaten anyone that can suggest he can beat Wlad. There are no real common opponents and Haye's opponents are the lowest on the totem pole.

Haye as a belt holder hasn't beaten a top heavyweight, whilst Wlad has. That's the big distinction between the two. One has run his mouth and that is what this fight is about.

it does have a lot to do with hayes mouth to as why he is in this position yes, and has a lot to do with why we have got this fight to look forward to (he is also a world class boxer at cruiserweight and at heavyweight)

although solid haye doesnt have the best record at heavyweight in the world, but neither is wlads recently that much to shout about when considering the level of opponent

wlad has ruled the division for years which is why he is the favourite

and haye has a very very real chance of winning, boxing is about styles and haye definately has the style to trouble wlad, and is the best opponent wlad has had for some time - if not ever

[El Kabong]

So if the WBA title holder had to fight the guys Wlad has fought you're saying it wouldn't be any trouble at all for him? If that's the case why fight total bums? Why not try to KO some guys that haven't been stopped before? Why not take a 0 off of a fighter?

Wlad stopped Chagaev, he's taken the 0 from several fighters, he stopped Chambers and Thompson, and he has taken on fighters who were tough but he's made his wins look easy.

But I digress, you just heap that praise on Wlad when he wins by KO

[Gandalf]

Of course I am all the things you are not.

You have still made some errors though, there are different degrees of shit and Wlad's opponents are quite clearly superior to Haye's. He has talked his way into this shot, he really hasn't earned it and that is why he is going to be crushed. Just too small and hasn't done enough work to prepare for it. If it was such hard work to deal with Valuev, then how on earth is he going to deal with a bigger man that actually knows some of the craft? He's going to be stopped horribly.

i havent made any errors, wlads opponents havent been clearly superior to hayes, you are just confused due to your bias towards this fight

highlighted by the words "hasnt done enough work to prepare for this fight"

not the charactoristics of an educated man

i can asure you, win lose or draw, haye has done as much work as humanly posible for this fight

and back to the opponents - they are all shit, one or two maybe marginally better than the others, but its a marginal amount of shit

Eh?

You very rarely make any sense. Maybe it is because I have problems tuning in with the chav psyche. So, basically you agree with me then. But then at the end you are saying that Barrett and Audley are only a little bit worse than Eddie Chambers? That's utter crap.

Haye hasn't put the work in and it doesn't need an educated man to point that out. He fights once a year, and as Lyle has pointed out, only fights very old men. None of his opponents have got him ready for this. He is talking it up like a big man, but he is likely cashing out to meet his retirement promises.

you are reading things that arent there

i said theyre all shit, some of them maybe marginally better than others, i never said which, i never said chambers was better than harrison

just to try and help you out with your argument, do you mean haye isnt prepared because he doesnt have the right experience? there is a difference between not being prepared and not having put the preparation in

i am starting to think you are lieing about being a teacher/lecturer, you dont come across old enough

I am possibly too young, not enough grey hair.

Haye hasn't beaten anyone that can suggest he can beat Wlad. There are no real common opponents and Haye's opponents are the lowest on the totem pole.

Haye as a belt holder hasn't beaten a top heavyweight, whilst Wlad has. That's the big distinction between the two. One has run his mouth and that is what this fight is about.

it does have a lot to do with hayes mouth to as why he is in this position yes, and has a lot to do with why we have got this fight to look forward to (he is also a world class boxer at cruiserweight and at heavyweight)

although solid haye doesnt have the best record at heavyweight in the world, but neither is wlads recently that much to shout about when considering the level of opponent

wlad has ruled the division for years which is why he is the favourite

and haye has a very very real chance of winning, boxing is about styles and haye definately has the style to trouble wlad, and is the best opponent wlad has had for some time - if not ever

Well, that was a better post than your other one's.

I give you credit for that, but you haven't really suggested why Haye can beat Wlad.

[erics44]

Of course I am all the things you are not.

You have still made some errors though, there are different degrees of shit and Wlad's opponents are quite clearly superior to Haye's. He has talked his way into this shot, he really hasn't earned it and that is why he is going to be crushed. Just too small and hasn't done enough work to prepare for it. If it was such hard work to deal with Valuev, then how on earth is he going to deal with a bigger man that actually knows some of the craft? He's going to be stopped horribly.

i havent made any errors, wlads opponents havent been clearly superior to hayes, you are just confused due to your bias towards this fight

highlighted by the words "hasnt done enough work to prepare for this fight"

not the charactoristics of an educated man

i can asure you, win lose or draw, haye has done as much work as humanly posible for this fight

and back to the opponents - they are all shit, one or two maybe marginally better than the others, but its a marginal amount of shit

Eh?

You very rarely make any sense. Maybe it is because I have problems tuning in with the chav psyche. So, basically you agree with me then. But then at the end you are saying that Barrett and Audley are only a little bit worse than Eddie Chambers? That's utter crap.

Haye hasn't put the work in and it doesn't need an educated man to point that out. He fights once a year, and as Lyle has pointed out, only fights very old men. None of his opponents have got him ready for this. He is talking it up like a big man, but he is likely cashing out to meet his retirement promises.

you are reading things that arent there

i said theyre all shit, some of them maybe marginally better than others, i never said which, i never said chambers was better than harrison

just to try and help you out with your argument, do you mean haye isnt prepared because he doesnt have the right experience? there is a difference between not being prepared and not having put the preparation in

i am starting to think you are lieing about being a teacher/lecturer, you dont come across old enough

I am possibly too young, not enough grey hair.

Haye hasn't beaten anyone that can suggest he can beat Wlad. There are no real common opponents and Haye's opponents are the lowest on the totem pole.

Haye as a belt holder hasn't beaten a top heavyweight, whilst Wlad has. That's the big distinction between the two. One has run his mouth and that is what this fight is about.

it does have a lot to do with hayes mouth to as why he is in this position yes, and has a lot to do with why we have got this fight to look forward to (he is also a world class boxer at cruiserweight and at heavyweight)

although solid haye doesnt have the best record at heavyweight in the world, but neither is wlads recently that much to shout about when considering the level of opponent

wlad has ruled the division for years which is why he is the favourite

and haye has a very very real chance of winning, boxing is about styles and haye definately has the style to trouble wlad, and is the best opponent wlad has had for some time - if not ever

Well, that was a better post than your other one's.

I give you credit for that, but you haven't really suggested why Haye can beat Wlad.

my posts are very consistent, the same message every time, so its a good post yes thanks, just as good as all my other posts too

speed, power, gameplan, and in the past wlad has lost his bottle everytime he comes under any kind of pressure

[erics44]

So if the WBA title holder had to fight the guys Wlad has fought you're saying it wouldn't be any trouble at all for him? If that's the case why fight total bums? Why not try to KO some guys that haven't been stopped before? Why not take a 0 off of a fighter?

Wlad stopped Chagaev, he's taken the 0 from several fighters, he stopped Chambers and Thompson, and he has taken on fighters who were tough but he's made his wins look easy.

But I digress, you just heap that praise on Wlad when he wins by KO

im not sure if you are asking me or miles that question

[El Kabong]

So if the WBA title holder had to fight the guys Wlad has fought you're saying it wouldn't be any trouble at all for him? If that's the case why fight total bums? Why not try to KO some guys that haven't been stopped before? Why not take a 0 off of a fighter?

Wlad stopped Chagaev, he's taken the 0 from several fighters, he stopped Chambers and Thompson, and he has taken on fighters who were tough but he's made his wins look easy.

But I digress, you just heap that praise on Wlad when he wins by KO

im not sure if you are asking me or miles that question

I'm asking it to you.

[p4pking]

I would probably say Chagaev if you factor out Peters being hyped more etc, kind of funny as this will no doubt be seen as Wlads marquee victory. I'm not sure Haye is really a better opponent as others seem to feel as well. This thread definetly indicates Erics44 is a virgin though, that much is clear.

[armin]

Wlads best win, maybe brock for the way he finished the fight .started slow stewart gets on him tells him he's behind gets a cut stewart gets in his face and brock goes to sleep. comparing hayes resume to wlads at heavy or calling em comparable is retarded, wlads had 50 plus fights at heavy many against top ten, haye has had 4 fights, 2 against senior citizens , one against a behemoth with no skill who was more convincingly beat by a geriatric.

[El Kabong]

The Brock fight was a good one. Calvin was a cagey fighter, he was awkward for Wlad to handle, but that KO was impressive.

Now of course I'm not in a position to do this BUT if I was to prepare a fighter to fight Wladimir I'd make sure the fighter fought at least 1 power puncher and at least 1 good boxer. I Would also make sure my fighter fought someone roughly the same size as Wladimir. Alexander Dimitrenko seems an easy enough target...roughly the same size as Wlad, has Wlad's old trainer, and decent but not tremendous power.

[marbleheadmaui]

The Brock fight was a good one. Calvin was a cagey fighter, he was awkward for Wlad to handle, but that KO was impressive.

Now of course I'm not in a position to do this BUT if I was to prepare a fighter to fight Wladimir I'd make sure the fighter fought at least 1 power puncher and at least 1 good boxer. I Would also make sure my fighter fought someone roughly the same size as Wladimir. Alexander Dimitrenko seems an easy enough target...roughly the same size as Wlad, has Wlad's old trainer, and decent but not tremendous power.

I'd also try to get him to bob and weave with at least some regularity.

Wlad's fights have taken on a metronomic consistency. After 2-3 rounds that jab just turns these guys into stationary targets and then it is just a question of when Wlad decides to end it.

[El Kabong]

Yeah and he'll have to throw many more punches per round than he did vs Valuev.

When fighters try to land 1 clean shot on Wlad they usually end up trying to load up on that 1 punch and end up eating the jab/left hook, getting tied up and then KO'd by the right cross.