BTW..... no props for Gino Rodriguez? C'mon!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I actually thought he was inconsistent. the calls he made only came after remonstration from either camp. David Haye hitting around the back of the head didn't get a point and neither did blatant punching after the bell.

[AdamGB]

Because they weren't happening every 30 seconds. You don't take a point off for something like that unless it's done much worse or more frequently.

One thing I did like was that Wlad grabbed on to Haye and looked to Rodriguez to break them... but seeing as they weren't tied up and Haye was able to free himself he was happy enough to let Wlad get punched a hand full of times whilst trying to grapple Haye.

Lyle I'm really not going to bother discussing the 'slips' with you... I think as the fight went on the got more intentional... but you're a fool if you think that the klits would have picked anything but the perfect ring size/canvas.

...and before you get all excited - for the record, I am not saying that this had a drastic outcome on the fight. I think I've made it abundantly clear that I think Haye simply wasn't strong enough to stand in front of Wlad... so he couldn't ever be busy enough to win on points.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Because they weren't happening every 30 seconds. You don't take a point off for something like that unless it's done much worse or more frequently.

I guess I'd have to take a look at the rule book but I don't see why someone needs to violently and repeatedly punch someone after the bell more than once in order to get a points deduction

[AdamGB]

Because they weren't happening every 30 seconds. You don't take a point off for something like that unless it's done much worse or more frequently.

I guess I'd have to take a look at the rule book but I don't see why someone needs to violently and repeatedly punch someone after the bell more than once in order to get a points deduction

Because they may not have heard the bell. Or may struggle to immidieatly disengage from what they're doing.
Unless you've competed I doubt you'd understand the mentality you need to get in to.

If it happens the whole fight then you're looking at a point off or a DQ... once and the ref will just be looking for it happening again.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

[QUOTE=AdamGB;989144]

Because they weren't happening every 30 seconds. You don't take a point off for something like that unless it's done much worse or more frequently.

I guess I'd have to take a look at the rule book but I don't see why someone needs to violently and repeatedly punch someone after the bell more than once in order to get a points deduction

If it happens the whole fight then you're looking at a point off or a DQ... once and the ref will just be looking for it happening again.

Fair enough. It just seems a wee bit unjust that you can foul repeatedly regardless if it's violent or not. Seems daft.

Because they may not have heard the bell. Or may struggle to immidieatly disengage from what they're doing.
Unless you've competed I doubt you'd understand the mentality you need to get in to.

To be honest Adam, it really didn't look like that to me. Looked like Haye was completely frustrated and lashed out just to do some damage.

[AdamGB]

It wasn't repeated and you will get some leeway. If you're going at 100mph in a car you can't stop in a second.

[El Kabong]

Haye didn't slip man, he dropped to a knee on purpose each time Wlad leaned on him to try and get points deducted which worked.....once.

On one of those flops the ref should have red carded him

[marbleheadmaui]

After about the fifth round I wondered iof there was a machanism by which the ref could penalize 13. He chose a GREAT one.

[Memphis]

He had two decisions to make, got one right, got the other half right.

[p4pking]

Yea I thought it was a very good call on both point deductions as well. Wlad definetly bends the rules by leaning on guys in the clinch because he has no infighting ability at all, was glad to see a ref finally make it cost him. Sadly after that Haye started crying wolf, and towards the ends of the fight he was bailing to his knees pre emptively, before Wlad even had a chance to really clinch him, which really stunk. I thought after the first deduction if he had just shown some more grit and tried to fight out of the clinch more often he probably could have baited Wlad into losing more points that way, and it certainly would have made for a better watch if he'd tried.

[JazMerkin]

Because they weren't happening every 30 seconds. You don't take a point off for something like that unless it's done much worse or more frequently.

I guess I'd have to take a look at the rule book but I don't see why someone needs to violently and repeatedly punch someone after the bell more than once in order to get a points deduction

It often happens, because what the bell or what the referee is saying are not at the foremost focus of your mind. Even in sparring, the trainer might call time, but you don't immediately react to it if you're in flow with your punches. Haye carried on for maybe a second before he turned. I don't think Wlad thought of it as a big deal because he's probably done it himself. The ref will just watch out for if it gets repeated, which might lead them to believe that they're trying to gain an advantage.