BTW..... no props for Gino Rodriguez? C'mon!

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

[QUOTE=AdamGB;989144]

Because they weren't happening every 30 seconds. You don't take a point off for something like that unless it's done much worse or more frequently.

I guess I'd have to take a look at the rule book but I don't see why someone needs to violently and repeatedly punch someone after the bell more than once in order to get a points deduction

If it happens the whole fight then you're looking at a point off or a DQ... once and the ref will just be looking for it happening again.

Fair enough. It just seems a wee bit unjust that you can foul repeatedly regardless if it's violent or not. Seems daft.

Because they may not have heard the bell. Or may struggle to immidieatly disengage from what they're doing.
Unless you've competed I doubt you'd understand the mentality you need to get in to.

To be honest Adam, it really didn't look like that to me. Looked like Haye was completely frustrated and lashed out just to do some damage.

[AdamGB]

It wasn't repeated and you will get some leeway. If you're going at 100mph in a car you can't stop in a second.

[El Kabong]

Haye didn't slip man, he dropped to a knee on purpose each time Wlad leaned on him to try and get points deducted which worked.....once.

On one of those flops the ref should have red carded him

[generalbulldog]

For that fight, Haye was on his knees more than some sluts were in a porn movie.

[AdamGB]

Yeah, it got ridiculous towards the end.

[Hornfinger]

Haye didn't slip man, he dropped to a knee on purpose each time Wlad leaned on him to try and get points deducted which worked.....once.

On one of those flops the ref should have red carded him

It was a sensible tactic.

Wlad leaning on him and hugging him is not in the rules of boxing. Haye just took a knee each time wlad tried to infringe the rules.

why allow your opponant to cheat and at the same time drain your energy?

[marbleheadmaui]

After about the fifth round I wondered iof there was a machanism by which the ref could penalize 13. He chose a GREAT one.

[Memphis]

He had two decisions to make, got one right, got the other half right.

[Spicoli]

Refs dont get to make up the rules as they go. It gave us a warm and fuzzy but KD's are already mishandled bad enough. That is opening pandoras box.

[p4pking]

It's a fair point, but what is a ref to do in the case that a guy keeps flopping to his knees before a clinch even starts though? That in itself doesn't warrant a point deduction in the rules but it certainly should, and calling the KD really just equated to the same thing. How many fights is it really a regular occurance in anyways? I don't think it's a terrible precident to set at all.

[Memphis]

It's a fair point, but what is a ref to do in the case that a guy keeps flopping to his knees before a clinch even starts though? That in itself doesn't warrant a point deduction in the rules but it certainly should, and calling the KD really just equated to the same thing. How many fights is it really a regular occurance in anyways? I don't think it's a terrible precident to set at all.

I think calling a knockdown when there is no knockdown just because the guy has fucked you off is a dangerous precedent to set, even if it is quite funny.

[p4pking]

It's a fair point, but what is a ref to do in the case that a guy keeps flopping to his knees before a clinch even starts though? That in itself doesn't warrant a point deduction in the rules but it certainly should, and calling the KD really just equated to the same thing. How many fights is it really a regular occurance in anyways? I don't think it's a terrible precident to set at all.

I think calling a knockdown when there is no knockdown just because the guy has fucked you off is a dangerous precedent to set, even if it is quite funny.

I understand really, I just can't really agree with that since it's so rare to actually see a fighter going down like that without taking punches or legitimately slipping. Was the standing 8 count in effect for this fight also? I imagine it wasn't or else that would have been a better call technically, but that's besides the point. Haye was deliberately throwing himself to the canvas repeatedly towards the end of that fight, I think it had to cost him somehow, he had been warned repeatedly. It wasn't just the ref he was fucking about with, Haye was really spoiling any potential action and making it a shit fight to watch from about the halfway point. All this would really do is discourage fighters from using such theatrics in the future. And obviously it was really funny.

[Spicoli]

It's a fair point, but what is a ref to do in the case that a guy keeps flopping to his knees before a clinch even starts though? That in itself doesn't warrant a point deduction in the rules but it certainly should, and calling the KD really just equated to the same thing. How many fights is it really a regular occurance in anyways? I don't think it's a terrible precident to set at all.

There is just way to much there to be massaged and when ref rules with his emotion and not head it gets dicey. The commissions and governing bodies heads are leary enough without the ones they appoint to enforce the rules turning rouge.

He essentially in a round about way deducted a point out of frustration for something he had already acknowledged was of Wlads doing really, even though Haye was going down more than a ugly drunken best friend of a prom queen after prom.

[marbleheadmaui]

Refs dont get to make up the rules as they go. It gave us a warm and fuzzy but KD's are already mishandled bad enough. That is opening pandoras box.

A lot of truth in this. I suppose he could have just penalized 13 a point for avoiding fighting instead.

But I gotta say in this case? I got an inappropriate kick out of it.

[TitoFan]

Like I said, being a boxing ref is a thankless job. You're guaranteed at least 50% of the fans being pissed off at you. And about the KD call on Haye..... what's the big deal? Point deduction... calling it a knockdown.... end result is the same, a one-point disadvantage. Something had to be done. Besides, you can argue that flopping is like taking a knee. You're putting yourself out of harm's way, a safe zone sort of speak. So you get an 8-count. C'mon... the guy's battling to keep control of the fight in there. He's got an Olympic diver on one hand, who suddenly can't seem to keep his feet. On the other you've got someone blatantly pulling the diver down behind the head. It's easy to sit back on the easy chair and pull out the rule book. A lot of these things are appreciation. It's like low blows when the guy's trunks are pulled up to his nipples. Is it a foul? Regardless.... I was happy to see both deductions. Wlad's point taken away for his pulling down on Haye's head, and Gino calling a knockdown on Haye..... SO HE'D STOP DOING THAT SHIT. It worked, too. Unfortunately, it was already close to the end of the fight.