Former Haye Fans perspective.

[El Kabong]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

[Hornfinger]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

[Kev]

Haye's post fight excuses are hardly surprising and in some ways are actually a healthy mindset for him to adopt,

Numerous psychological studies have shown that elite sportsman are more character disordered than ordinary people, which means that they blame their failures on external situations and factors rather than taking the blame themselves, as a nuerotic would do.

It may make him look a bit of a dick, but in his own mind I'm convinved he absolutely believes what he is saying is true. It will help him get over the loss and pick himself up mentally should he choose to fight again.

To hate him because of what is his natural, instinctive mindset is a bit silly. It's that self belief that got him to where he is and is actually a huge asset for any high achiever. It makes him look silly to us now, but the way he can rationalise failures away is a definiter key component for success and high performance so you shouldn't be too harsh on him for it.

[Gandalf]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

[Hornfinger]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

How many of those punches were jabs?

I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.

[El Kabong]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

How many of those punches were jabs?

I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.

A punch is a punch....and Wlad was the one stalking down Haye not the other way around which counts for INTENT to actually fight a bit. Haye ran, tried to draw fouls, and it was just a pathetic display, I wouldn't even call it an "effort". I would have done better, yeah it makes me look like a keyboard warrior but I'd go out getting KO'd like a man and not running like a little punk especially after over 2 years of talking non-stop shit "The Klitschko's are boring, I'll save the division" blah blah blah...Britons are rightfully angry at Haye for humiliating not only himself but his entire country.

For your sake hopefully Fury-Chisora has some actual boxing in it.

I read Bunce's article today, even HE has stopped carrying the water for Team Hayemaker. Though he still insists that Haye continue fighting rather than retire.

IMO Haye doesn't deserve to get paid for that fight.

[Hunter]

Haye should track down all of the fans that were at the weigh in and at the fight and pay them back out of the money he made on the fight. Funny how everyone was dogging Wlad because he didnt have any fans cheering for him but the last laugh was on all the chumps that traveled from Briton to Germany to support the fraud. They are out a chunk of change and are a laughingstock.

[Fenster]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

How many of those punches were jabs?

I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.

A punch is a punch....and Wlad was the one stalking down Haye not the other way around which counts for INTENT to actually fight a bit. Haye ran, tried to draw fouls, and it was just a pathetic display, I wouldn't even call it an "effort". I would have done better yeah it makes me look like a keyboard warrior but I'd go out getting KO'd like a man and not running like a little punk especially after over 2 years of talking non-stop shit "The Klitschko's are boring, I'll save the division" blah blah blah...Britons are rightfully angry at Haye for humiliating not only himself but his entire country.

For your sake hopefully Fury-Chisora has some actual boxing in it.

I read Bunce's article today, even HE has stopped carrying the water for Team Hayemaker. Though he still insists that Haye continue fighting rather than retire.

IMO Haye doesn't deserve to get paid for that fight.

It's getting better all the time

Co-main event
Wlad-Vs-Lyle
ICB-vs-Pac

This could be the next PPV extravaganza. I'm just about to tweet Richard Schaefer, HBO and Adam Smith.

[El Kabong]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

How many of those punches were jabs?

I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.

A punch is a punch....and Wlad was the one stalking down Haye not the other way around which counts for INTENT to actually fight a bit. Haye ran, tried to draw fouls, and it was just a pathetic display, I wouldn't even call it an "effort". I would have done better yeah it makes me look like a keyboard warrior but I'd go out getting KO'd like a man and not running like a little punk especially after over 2 years of talking non-stop shit "The Klitschko's are boring, I'll save the division" blah blah blah...Britons are rightfully angry at Haye for humiliating not only himself but his entire country.

For your sake hopefully Fury-Chisora has some actual boxing in it.

I read Bunce's article today, even HE has stopped carrying the water for Team Hayemaker. Though he still insists that Haye continue fighting rather than retire.

IMO Haye doesn't deserve to get paid for that fight.

It's getting better all the time

Co-main event
Wlad-Vs-Lyle
ICB-vs-Pac

This could be the next PPV extravaganza. I'm just about to tweet Richard Schaefer, HBO and Adam Smith.

...I've never been KO'd but I'm willing to give it a try

[El Kabong]

It would be more entertaining than the way Haye fought Wlad....FACT

[El Kabong]

Majesty I agree. If Haye did have what it takes to he would have worked (in the ring) to get the Klitschko fight.

Haye can keep on fighting for all I care, I don't see him doing much though and judging from his performances at heavyweight I think a few heavyweights could beat him.

And hell why train so hard if you're not going to give your best effort broken toe or not.

[Gandalf]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

How many of those punches were jabs?

I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.

It doesn't matter how many were jabs, Wlad was pressing the action and clearly it is all worked off the jab. The man threw a typical HW amount in terms of volume. Haye was about half of that.

All I am arguing is that Haye didn't do anything beyond the 4th. It was as though he had lost the will and was in cruise control.

One man did what was needed, the other did far less.

[NuthaPug]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

Two things:

Haye threw more power punches AND landed them (power punches) at a higher rate.

What's this about "just" jabs? Really? Just? It was the night of the jab. Wlad threw 376 (if you accept CompuBox Stats). That's what won the fight for him.

It would be more fun to see him throw more power punches, and even more fun if more of them connected. No doubt.

But still a statement like "most of Wlad's were just jabs anyway" ... eh. Don't quite know how to find meaningfulness there.

[Gandalf]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

Two things:

Haye threw more power punches AND landed them (power punches) at a higher rate.

What's this about "just" jabs? Really? Just? It was the night of the jab. Wlad threw 376 (if you accept CompuBox Stats). That's what won the fight for him.

It would be more fun to see him throw more power punches, and even more fun if more of them connected. No doubt.

But still a statement like "most of Wlad's were just jabs anyway" ... eh. Don't quite know how to find meaningfulness there.

I'm not sure if you are calling me out there, but I happen to think the jab is extremely significant. It isn't just a jab at all. It's a meaningful scoring punch.

In terms of power shots I have no doubt that it was more even. But asking a fighter like Wlad to unload with more against someone as evasive and reluctant to engage as Haye wasn't easy. Haye did move well to his credit.

I just think there was no excuse for Haye's reluctance to try and win rounds. You have to outland your opponent and try to make an impact and he simply refused.

[NuthaPug]

The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.

Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.

Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.

Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats

Two things:

Haye threw more power punches AND landed them (power punches) at a higher rate.

What's this about "just" jabs? Really? Just? It was the night of the jab. Wlad threw 376 (if you accept CompuBox Stats). That's what won the fight for him.

It would be more fun to see him throw more power punches, and even more fun if more of them connected. No doubt.

But still a statement like "most of Wlad's were just jabs anyway" ... eh. Don't quite know how to find meaningfulness there.

I'm not sure if you are calling me out there, but I happen to think the jab is extremely significant. It isn't just a jab at all. It's a meaningful scoring punch.

In terms of power shots I have no doubt that it was more even. But asking a fighter like Wlad to unload with more against someone as evasive and reluctant to engage as Haye wasn't easy. Haye did move well to his credit.

I just think there was no excuse for Haye's reluctance to try and win rounds. You have to outland your opponent and try to make an impact and he simply refused.

No, not calling you out. Minor correction perhaps to the impact of your post but not to the general fact. But even that was more in the service of disagreeing that you can use the word "just" in connection with a dominating jab - especially the dominating jab of a tall, strong heavyweight, but it's really true at any weight class.

(My comment that "it was the night of the jab" was to recall the golden boy's comments after his fight with floyd, when it wasn't that kind of night. Just in case someone didn't make the connection.)

It was Hornfinger, not you, whom I quoted regarding "just jabs." And I'm not calling him out, either, just disagreeing with him.