Eubank on Timing & Technique

[FacePuncher]

Sometimes I am sharp in my opinions and I mean no disrespect.
With your hands 'high' (by that I mean, in front of your face), you can't punch. The motion is unnatural and just keeping your hands there requires muscular tension. You can't hook from there, throw uppercuts without dramatically dropping your hands...nothing works.

By "high" I don't mean in front of their faces, but covering their jaw line as often as possible and being ready to parry straights. I guess DLH or maybe even Arguello would be good examples of what I mean. Uppercuts of course are an exception! Impossible to throw a decent uppercut without opening up to some degree.

I don't seem to have any trouble getting people firing effective combinations from a high guard though, so long as they are moving moving their feet and hips correctly, the shoulders follow!

[Scrap]

Know where the things that moves the Fist are and should be, thats the Elbows.

[AdamGB]

I think it's all about the situation you're in.

Cus knew a thing or two about boxing and he'd have fighters who used his peak-a-bo style have a high guard - but not when they were punching or wanting to punch... it'd be once they'd worked in close to an opponent and thrown... they'd quickly retreat from a taller man with a high guard until they were out of range.

The objective during that phase of the style wasn't to punch, so it worked.

[FacePuncher]

I think it's all about the situation you're in.

Cus knew a thing or two about boxing and he'd have fighters who used his peak-a-bo style have a high guard - but not when they were punching or wanting to punch... it'd be once they'd worked in close to an opponent and thrown... they'd quickly retreat from a taller man with a high guard until they were out of range.

The objective during that phase of the style wasn't to punch, so it worked.

Spot on!

No technique works in every situation, but I think having your chin protected is quite often a good place to start.

[Youngblood]

I believe the distinction Scrap and Greynotsoold are making, is that there is a difference between a high tight guard, and your hands in front of your face.

I'm of the belief that every beginning boxer should start with a high tight guard, work only the basics. Learn them and learn them well. Then begin to develop their style and stance based upon their own personal set of skills and physical attributes.

[FacePuncher]

I believe the distinction Scrap and Greynotsoold are making, is that there is a difference between a high tight guard, and your hands in front of your face.

I'm of the belief that every beginning boxer should start with a high tight guard, work only the basics. Learn them and learn them well. Then begin to develop their style and stance based upon their own personal set of skills and physical attributes.

This is exactly what I believe and do.

Maybe us Australians simply need to update our jargon :P

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I believe the distinction Scrap and Greynotsoold are making, is that there is a difference between a high tight guard, and your hands in front of your face.

I'm of the belief that every beginning boxer should start with a high tight guard, work only the basics. Learn them and learn them well. Then begin to develop their style and stance based upon their own personal set of skills and physical attributes.

So learn the rule book before you rip it up...?

Nice!

[nikola_ganchev]

My opinion on boxing with the hands up comes from a complex of mistakes. First of all way must a beginer learn it this way? Because someone is not explaining him what the proper stance is and the head is sticking out infront! This combined with no understanding of positioning leads to blindly bringing the hands up... And here is the biggest problem. Man can not spar after an 15 mins of instructions! It must be devoted alot of hours of preliminary preparation. The stance, the movements, where am i going, way i am going? The beginer must be able to think a bit on his own and maybe after that he is ready to spar!
Second misunderstanding is the idea of boxing tall. Normally the one who is on the lower level has leverage advantage. How will you punch someone who is down on your waist level when your hands are up even at the chin?
And as greynotsoold said it is not biomechanically optimal!

[AdamGB]

I believe the distinction Scrap and Greynotsoold are making, is that there is a difference between a high tight guard, and your hands in front of your face.

I'm of the belief that every beginning boxer should start with a high tight guard, work only the basics. Learn them and learn them well. Then begin to develop their style and stance based upon their own personal set of skills and physical attributes.

I agree with them, you can't see as much with a high guard and it's not an ideal position to punch from. It can be utilised in a few sitatuions though, some elements of the peek a boo style being one of them.

It's quite handy for outright beginners, gives them something to learn behind but it is a habit that shouldn't be formed.

I always say to beginners I spar, you'll soon be able to block punches and back pedal around the ring for a round... but if you're not learning how to slip, roll and deflect shots then you're never going to land because the opporunities and positions to punch just aren't going to be there.

That's why I think light spars are good early on, it gives newbies a chance to figure out the timing and angles etc and if they fuck it up... all they get is a love tap and a message that lets them know they moved too soon/late/far/not enough etc

If it's 100% from the get go then they'll just learn what it's like to think "fucking hell" and get punched around the ring... they'll never want to get out from behind the safety of that basic block and guard and actually try things.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Quite remarkable that Eubank learned anything then because from what I understand, he was a punching bag from the off..!

[FacePuncher]

I had that very issue of being thrown in the deep end when I first started and developed an over emphasis towards defence.
It took a long time to shake and actually start throwing combos.