Is Pongsaklek the Greatest of Thailand?

[THE THIRD MAN]

[QUOTE=marbleheadmaui;990879]

He fought a guy this year who was 0-2-0, WTF is that? You have to ask yourself this question, how would Pong go against Jorge Arce at 112 or Vic Darchinyan? Arce was dynamite at 112 and Vic is probably one of the the 3 biggest hitters at 112 ever? I doubt Pong would last 3 rounds with either of them. Pong hasn't fought anybody of note and has no credibility at all.[/QUOTE]

That's not remotely true. Wonjonkam has knocked off Daisuke Naito twice, Husein Husein, Keb Baas, Miranda and Komeda. Does it make him an ATG? Nope. But thoise guys are hardly nobodies.

Pong is on the nose with his resume.

[Gallegos Boxing Gym]

Wow, great responses.

To the poster who pointed out Pong's tendency to fight neophytes in non-title tilts, that's a well-taken point. In addition, you point out that during most of his reign, there has always been another flyweight around with a reasonable dispute to the Thai's supremacy. Not exactly what you want from a #1 guy of a country with as rich a boxing tradition as Thailand. Then again, I could say Galaxy wasn't always the clear #1 115-pounder with Gilberto Roman around at the same time.

Marbleheadmaui, those are good points. I think Pong is one of those guys who would be a lot higher ranked if he did all this deep in the past. It's difficult to get hardcore fans like you onboard with a guy's resume without letting it ruminate for a while.

I understand your hesitance in putting Pong in Galaxy territory. He just doesn't seem as special. does he? Galaxy's greatness hit on a visceral level. With Pong, you gotta look at the big picture and then you're nudged to extend him some respect.

And Kingpetch sure did a lot with a 28-7 record. Unbelievable. While looking into Thai greats, I was also struck by Saensak, who was 14-6 and probably in this country's top ten. Another guy with a better resume than I thought was Khaosai's brother Kaokor, who beat Wilfredo Vazquez and top Korean Sung-Kil Moon.

[CutMeMick]

PongsaShit is one of the worst so called "champions" of recent times. In the sense that he has steered clear away from REAL challenges...
When you have been ranked among the best since 2001 and the best you have fought is Naito, Bass, Miranda, Hussein & Komeda. Come on you mean to tell me that's the best that's been available in the division?

And for the record Arce was the "Interim" holder during PongsaShits reing. So it's not like he was the sole holder of the belt.

Aside from Zab I can't think of another boxer I've disliked more then PongsaShit.

He fought a guy this year who was 0-2-0, WTF is that? You have to ask yourself this question, how would Pong go against Jorge Arce at 112 or Vic Darchinyan? Arce was dynamite at 112 and Vic is probably one of the the 3 biggest hitters at 112 ever? I doubt Pong would last 3 rounds with either of them. Pong hasn't fought anybody of note and has no credibility at all.

Well said...

[JazMerkin]

He's somewhere in between what Marble said & what Mick said. Some horrible defences, but it's not like he's fallen short when facing top guys. However, those dangerous defences (as in dangerous when your opponent has barely boxed before) may well hold against him when it comes to a HoF vote. There's a few other guys I'd like to see in before he gets considered.

[marbleheadmaui]

PongsaShit is one of the worst so called "champions" of recent times. In the sense that he has steered clear away from REAL challenges...When you have been ranked among the best since 2001 and the best you have fought is Naito, Bass, Miranda, Hussein & Komeda. Come on you mean to tell me that's the best that's been available in the division?

And for the record Arce was the "Interim" holder during PongsaShits reing. So it's not like he was the sole holder of the belt.

Aside from Zab I can't think of another boxer I've disliked more then PongsaShit.

He fought a guy this year who was 0-2-0, WTF is that? You have to ask yourself this question, how would Pong go against Jorge Arce at 112 or Vic Darchinyan? Arce was dynamite at 112 and Vic is probably one of the the 3 biggest hitters at 112 ever? I doubt Pong would last 3 rounds with either of them. Pong hasn't fought anybody of note and has no credibility at all.

Well said...

Nonsense. He isn't even the worst 112 champion of his own time. Look up Omar Narvaez sometime!

[FinitoElDinamita]

NO.... Galaxy is Thailand's greatest.

[CutMeMick]

PongsaShit is one of the worst so called "champions" of recent times. In the sense that he has steered clear away from REAL challenges...When you have been ranked among the best since 2001 and the best you have fought is Naito, Bass, Miranda, Hussein & Komeda. Come on you mean to tell me that's the best that's been available in the division?

And for the record Arce was the "Interim" holder during PongsaShits reing. So it's not like he was the sole holder of the belt.

Aside from Zab I can't think of another boxer I've disliked more then PongsaShit.

He fought a guy this year who was 0-2-0, WTF is that? You have to ask yourself this question, how would Pong go against Jorge Arce at 112 or Vic Darchinyan? Arce was dynamite at 112 and Vic is probably one of the the 3 biggest hitters at 112 ever? I doubt Pong would last 3 rounds with either of them. Pong hasn't fought anybody of note and has no credibility at all.

Well said...

Nonsense. He isn't even the worst 112 champion of his own time. Look up Omar Narvaez sometime!

Narvaez at least has the decency of fighting guys with better records.
I mean the caliber of opponents that PongsaShit fights is just mind blowing.
Guys with records like 0-2-0 for fucks sake!
Narvaez opponent in recent times with the worst record was 16-4-2 as he moved up in weight in 2010.
Give me a break Marble, that's comparing apples to oranges. It's clear as day light.
Both Narvaez & PongsaShit have yet to fight an opponent that gives them that little extra factor. But for my likings PongsaShit is the worst.

Also I will say that some credit is due to PongsaShit for taking on Sosa that's unless he finds a way to steer clear from him too.
By the way prediction for that fight Sosa via devastating KO.

[marbleheadmaui]

PongsaShit is one of the worst so called "champions" of recent times. In the sense that he has steered clear away from REAL challenges...When you have been ranked among the best since 2001 and the best you have fought is Naito, Bass, Miranda, Hussein & Komeda. Come on you mean to tell me that's the best that's been available in the division?

And for the record Arce was the "Interim" holder during PongsaShits reing. So it's not like he was the sole holder of the belt.

Aside from Zab I can't think of another boxer I've disliked more then PongsaShit.

He fought a guy this year who was 0-2-0, WTF is that? You have to ask yourself this question, how would Pong go against Jorge Arce at 112 or Vic Darchinyan? Arce was dynamite at 112 and Vic is probably one of the the 3 biggest hitters at 112 ever? I doubt Pong would last 3 rounds with either of them. Pong hasn't fought anybody of note and has no credibility at all.

Well said...

Nonsense. He isn't even the worst 112 champion of his own time. Look up Omar Narvaez sometime!

Narvaez at least has the decency of fighting guys with better records.
I mean the caliber of opponents that PongsaShit fights is just mind blowing.
Guys with records like 0-2-0 for fucks sake!
Narvaez opponent in recent times with the worst record was 16-4-2 as he moved up in weight in 2010.
Give me a break Marble, that's comparing apples to oranges. It's clear as day light.
Both Narvaez & PongsaShit have yet to fight an opponent that gives them that little extra factor. But for my likings PongsaShit is the worst.

Also I will say that some credit is due to PongsaShit for taking on Sosa that's unless he finds a way to steer clear from him too.
By the way prediction for that fight Sosa via devastating KO.

Records without context mean squat!

Narvaez has, IIRC, defeated TWO ranked guys. TWO! And Ponskaklek beat one of those guys as well.