Lara vs. Williams who won in your eyes

[Cressa121]

117-11 Lara. I really have no idea how anyone can see that fight for Williams. Lara landed more punches, landed the more effective punches...it wasn't even competitive to me.

[Majesty]

I didn't have it a wide margin by any stretch. Especially after rewatching the fight. Like I said the night of the fight Lara didn't do himself any favors. There were some rounds that he seemed to be coasting just waiting on his one shot to snap williams head back.

There was a bunch of scenarios where he didnt do much but coast and when he'd hold a lot, or when he'd just stand on the inside and let Williams get off on him. This kind of thing cost him in the long run. He seemed like he was trying to win the fight on that one straight left hand and sometimes he didn't do it enough. The rounds he stayed with it in, he did particularly well and won them more convincingly than Williams did. But I can't give Lara an entire round for 3 left hands when he lets Williams continuously work him on the inside the rest of the round and coast. I had Lara winning the first time but was also pretty swayed by the sympathy the announcers gave, I watched the fight again that night not scoring it but feeling Lara didn't do himself any favors, and I watched the Sunday morning replay and had Williams winning.

I think Lara lost the fight more than Williams won it, he didn't step on the gas when he had such an open target in front of him, some rounds he won was devastating because when he poured it on you could see the gap between him and Williams, but he seemed more often than not intend on looking to land the one left hand and then coast, and when he coasted was when Williams worked him. And that ultimately apparently cost him.

[CommunistKevin]

I didn't have it a wide margin by any stretch. Especially after rewatching the fight. Like I said the night of the fight Lara didn't do himself any favors. There were some rounds that he seemed to be coasting just waiting on his one shot to snap williams head back.

There was a bunch of scenarios where he didnt do much but coast and when he'd hold a lot, or when he'd just stand on the inside and let Williams get off on him. This kind of thing cost him in the long run. He seemed like he was trying to win the fight on that one straight left hand and sometimes he didn't do it enough. The rounds he stayed with it in, he did particularly well and won them more convincingly than Williams did. But I can't give Lara an entire round for 3 left hands when he lets Williams continuously work him on the inside the rest of the round and coast. I had Lara winning the first time but was also pretty swayed by the sympathy the announcers gave, I watched the fight again that night not scoring it but feeling Lara didn't do himself any favors, and I watched the Sunday morning replay and had Williams winning.

I think Lara lost the fight more than Williams won it, he didn't step on the gas when he had such an open target in front of him, some rounds he won was devastating because when he poured it on you could see the gap between him and Williams, but he seemed more often than not intend on looking to land the one left hand and then coast, and when he coasted was when Williams worked him. And that ultimately apparently cost him.

You know I agree with you on a lot of points. I still have Lara winning though but Lara taking breaks and not throwing and backing away a lot did hurt him. But I mean Williams shots were almost worthless he was just throwing garbage so I can not give him too much credit

[JazMerkin]

I didn't have it a wide margin by any stretch. Especially after rewatching the fight. Like I said the night of the fight Lara didn't do himself any favors. There were some rounds that he seemed to be coasting just waiting on his one shot to snap williams head back.

There was a bunch of scenarios where he didnt do much but coast and when he'd hold a lot, or when he'd just stand on the inside and let Williams get off on him. This kind of thing cost him in the long run. He seemed like he was trying to win the fight on that one straight left hand and sometimes he didn't do it enough. The rounds he stayed with it in, he did particularly well and won them more convincingly than Williams did. But I can't give Lara an entire round for 3 left hands when he lets Williams continuously work him on the inside the rest of the round and coast. I had Lara winning the first time but was also pretty swayed by the sympathy the announcers gave, I watched the fight again that night not scoring it but feeling Lara didn't do himself any favors, and I watched the Sunday morning replay and had Williams winning.

I think Lara lost the fight more than Williams won it, he didn't step on the gas when he had such an open target in front of him, some rounds he won was devastating because when he poured it on you could see the gap between him and Williams, but he seemed more often than not intend on looking to land the one left hand and then coast, and when he coasted was when Williams worked him. And that ultimately apparently cost him.

I don't see how you could have Williams winning. I've watched it a number of times now & at best, where I give Williams rounds for doing ANYTHING, it's still 7-5 for Lara & quite frankly he still wins about 3 more for me clearly. You actually have to land punches. It's called effective aggression. If your opponent throws 100 punches in a round & lands 10 & you throw 40 & land 20, you win the round. It's simple.

There a four criteria for scoring a fight & every round

Clean & Effective Punching - Williams punching was about as unclean & ineffective as it gets, Lara clearly bossed this through the fight. You can't even argue that is was Williams throwing the harder shots.

Defense - Apart from failing to defend a headbutt, this was clearly Lara's again. In no round did Williams land more than a quarter of all the punches he threw.

Ring Generalship - Who was more comfortable fighting their fight? Who was controlling how proceedings were unfolding? Even if you think Lara was lazy, the fact was he was always in control & whenever Williams looked like he took some initiative, Lara snatched it right back.

Effective Aggression - Like I said, 'effective' is the key word. Now even if you somehow give this to Williams based on Lara 'giving away' rounds, did you do the same thing in Froch-Dirrell? I seem to remember you didn't. Because there an awful lot of similarities, only difference being that Lara didn't keep falling over, have points deducted & generally avoid engaging.