Damaging a Legacy

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Well it definitely takes the polish off in a short/ mid term perspective.
Long term? I dunno, we ain't there yet, or maybe it ain't for us to say

But right now, I think all talk of legacy for current fighters is out of order.

[Mark TKO]

Know what you saying but new fans coming in now will think Roy Jones and Holyfield are journeyman bums. Only in time when they look back will they realise what they were. Casual fans may never appreciate.

And an end record with like 10 defeats (not sure what they both on) don't look good does it to an outsider but if they can get on all time lists then they will do ok

By the way I don't remember Ali losing twice by KO !??! Just the one inside distance defeat when Dundee pulled him out

[marbleheadmaui]

Know what you saying but new fans coming in now will think Roy Jones and Holyfield are journeyman bums. Only in time when they look back will they realise what they were. Casual fans may never appreciate.

And an end record with like 10 defeats (not sure what they both on) don't look good does it to an outsider but if they can get on all time lists then they will do ok

By the way I don't remember Ali losing twice by KO !??! Just the one inside distance defeat when Dundee pulled him out

Yeah but the casual or the rookie fan isn't the guy who carries any weight in asessing greatness anyway is he? I mean if he were? Guys like Emile Griffith, Ezzard Charles and Dick Tiger and think "journeymen."

Isn't it the boxing nerds, geeks and well, folks like us who really decide this stuff and educate the rookie and casual fan?

PS, you're correct on Ali. I forgot he finished the Berbick fight.

[marbleheadmaui]

Well it definitely takes the polish off in a short/ mid term perspective.
Long term? I dunno, we ain't there yet, or maybe it ain't for us to say

But right now, I think all talk of legacy for current fighters is out of order.

I hear ya...and to some extent I agree. Having said that Manny Pacquiao can never stop being the first man to win four lineal crowns (for example).

I think when a fighter gets near the end, one can make some qualified, but still incomplete, asessments.

For a complete review not only does the fighter have to be retired, but all of his significant foes need to be retired as well.