Fighters that you (controversially) think are overrated

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I agree with all so far (just to what degree still tbc).

What about Jack Dempsey? Huge draw, shit boxer.

[Pugilistic]

Nonito Donaire.

3rd best p4p in the world ?? I don't think so.

He's clearly a gifted fighter and he has good wins over Montiel and Darchinyan but what else, no one else appears to be worth mentioning.

Maybe i should learn more about the lower divisions before i make this post though.

[Spicoli]

On any given day a great chance HBO will be calling him "the next" whoeva.

Oh and Mike Tyson. Gamboa. Berto...nevermind. Mayweather, I'm convinced he'll go down as never maximizing greatness, it'll always be who he didn't fight and such. Sort of like Roy Jones Jr. on a way.

[Taeth]

You should learn more about the lower divisions, Donaire has beaten a lot of good fighters, and you can see just based on what he does in the ring that he is an amazing fighter.

Sergio Martinez is starting earn my respect. I'm not sure how high I would rank him because I never thought much of Paul Williams, but I definitely think his last fight and his fight against Pavlik put him way up the p4p list.

Also Kostya Tszyu beat a lot of good fighters, Roger Mayweather, JCC, prime Sharmba MItchell. He, also, is a great fighter, and you can see it when he fights. Great technique, power, and boxing savy.

It's guys like Juan Manuel Lopez, Margarito, Pavlik, Soto, Mares, Mijares who have been so overhyped IMO.

Not that he isn't great but even Evander Holyfield I think is vastly overrated. I think he was a ATG for sure, but not a top 50 type guy like they rank him. I can't think of a modern era where he would have ruled the heavyweight division. I think Ali, Foreman, Larry Holmes, prime Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Klitschko brothers beat him far more often than not.... except maybe Tyson.

[Pugilistic]

You should learn more about the lower divisions, Donaire has beaten a lot of good fighters, and you can see just based on what he does in the ring that he is an amazing fighter.

Sergio Martinez is starting earn my respect. I'm not sure how high I would rank him because I never thought much of Paul Williams, but I definitely think his last fight and his fight against Pavlik put him way up the p4p list.

Also Kostya Tszyu beat a lot of good fighters, Roger Mayweather, JCC, prime Sharmba MItchell. He, also, is a great fighter, and you can see it when he fights. Great technique, power, and boxing savy.

It's guys like Juan Manuel Lopez, Margarito, Pavlik, Soto, Mares, Mijares who have been so overhyped IMO.

Not that he isn't great but even Evander Holyfield I think is vastly overrated. I think he was a ATG for sure, but not a top 50 type guy like they rank him. I can't think of a modern era where he would have ruled the heavyweight division. I think Ali, Foreman, Larry Holmes, prime Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Klitschko brothers beat him far more often than not.... except maybe Tyson.

I don't base my fighters solely on their ability in the ring. I mainly base my fighters on their resume and because i don't know much about lower weight classes, his resume don't look that great to me, not to be rated 3 p4p anyway.

Can you give me some of the good fighters Nonito beat so i can look them up.

[ICB]

Carlos Zarate

[BIG H]

Carlos Zarate

Interesting one that. I guess most people would have him as the greatest Bantam of all time?? Maybe Olivires?

[X]

Bernard Hopkins ....... made loads of defences against the weakest middleweight era I have ever seen, comprehensively outboxed by the flawed Roy Jones, matured into a spoiling, scuffling type fighter who actually is never in good fights !!! Recent 'great achievements' have been against true second raters. Light Heavy world champion at an impressive age allright, but he wasnt exactly beating Archie Moore or Bob Foster etc

[ICB]

Carlos Zarate

Interesting one that. I guess most people would have him as the greatest Bantam of all time?? Maybe Olivires?

To be honest im not all that knowledgable on the lower weightclasses, but you could also make an argument Ruben Olivares was overrated aswell. He had some great performances against Rose, Castillo, but he was beaten in his prime at his prime weight against Rafael Herrera twice, and did only make 6 title defenses at Bantamweight.

And he wasn't all that successful moving up at Featherweight either, i think other Bantamweights like Jeff Chander get overlooked.

[marbleheadmaui]

You should learn more about the lower divisions, Donaire has beaten a lot of good fighters, and you can see just based on what he does in the ring that he is an amazing fighter.

Sergio Martinez is starting earn my respect. I'm not sure how high I would rank him because I never thought much of Paul Williams, but I definitely think his last fight and his fight against Pavlik put him way up the p4p list.

Also Kostya Tszyu beat a lot of good fighters, Roger Mayweather, JCC, prime Sharmba MItchell. He, also, is a great fighter, and you can see it when he fights. Great technique, power, and boxing savy.

It's guys like Juan Manuel Lopez, Margarito, Pavlik, Soto, Mares, Mijares who have been so overhyped IMO.

Not that he isn't great but even Evander Holyfield I think is vastly overrated. I think he was a ATG for sure, but not a top 50 type guy like they rank him. I can't think of a modern era where he would have ruled the heavyweight division. I think Ali, Foreman, Larry Holmes, prime Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Klitschko brothers beat him far more often than not.... except maybe Tyson.

What gets Evander that kind of ranking as much as anything else are his wins over Qawi and the widely held perception he is the greatest cruiser we have had.

[marbleheadmaui]

I agree with all so far (just to what degree still tbc).

What about Jack Dempsey? Huge draw, shit boxer.

How do you figure "shit" boxer? He was Cus's model in building Mike Tyson. (aren't you a Tyson guy?)

[marbleheadmaui]

I agree with all so far (just to what degree still tbc).

What about Jack Dempsey? Huge draw, shit boxer.

Sort of like your brain?

Drop the grudge. What are you, a teenage girl? Seriously... The title of the thread suggests I should be contraversial..? So...

Anyway, yeah Dempsey was a massive hype job. He was like Americas Ricky Hatton... Or Juio Cesar Chavez?

REALLY? I mean other than Harry Wills? Who the hell should Dempsey have fought that he didn't? I mean he beat EVERYBODY and he did so with a level of aggression, speed and technique never before seen in a heavy!

I thought you wee a Tyson guy? As near as I can figure one cannot logically be a rabid fan of one without the other.

[El Kabong]

Riddick Bowe - thinnest resume of any true heavyweight champion...maybe in the history of boxing when you look at who he could have fought and who he chose to fight.

[marbleheadmaui]

Riddick Bowe - thinnest resume of any true heavyweight champion...maybe in the history of boxing when you look at who he could have fought and who he chose to fight.

Bowe is one of those "I saw him with my eyes" guys.

On one of his best three nights (about all he had) he gives any heavyweight in history a battle.

Any other night? eer, um, not so much

[El Kabong]

Riddick Bowe - thinnest resume of any true heavyweight champion...maybe in the history of boxing when you look at who he could have fought and who he chose to fight.

Bowe is one of those "I saw him with my eyes" guys.

On one of his best three nights (about all he had) he gives any heavyweight in history a battle.

Any other night? eer, um, not so much

Lennox Lewis manhandled him in the amateurs and Bowe never fought anyone that was all that great of a puncher. People think the Klitschko's have a size advantage now...just look at who Bowe fought! Holyfield and Golota guys much smaller than Riddick gave him absolute hell. Had Bowe fought Mercer, Morrison, Moorer, Tyson(yes even after prison), Briggs, Ruddock et al he more than likely would have lost and lost by KO! Bowe had size and he had skill but he was very flawed as well.

Arturo Gatti is overrated in his skill from his many battles but as a blood and guts warrior not many measure up to him.