Any final thoughts on Wlad vs Haye?

[erics44]

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

perhaps less skill but definately more entertainment

[Mars_ax]

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

perhaps less skill but definately more entertainment

Not necessarily either, logically, if you take away the K-Bros, and who have you really got from the rest of the division that's going to provide better fights and/or entertainment. The Klitschko Bros are over criticized, under-appreciated, and will be sorely missed by boxing and the HW division when they're gone.

[erics44]

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

perhaps less skill but definately more entertainment

Not necessarily either, logically, if you take away the K-Bros, and who have you really got from the rest of the division that's going to provide better fights and/or entertainment. The Klitschko Bros are over criticized, under-appreciated, and will be sorely missed by boxing and the HW division when they're gone.

thats not really logical, its valid opinion but one i disagree with

My opinion is if you take away the klit bros then the fighters below would then become the top HWs and would be more evenly matched, and there is a chance that an agressive fighter emerges as the top dog

I disagree with your last sentence also, their skill as the best HWs around is widely recognised, Vitali perhaps is over critisized Wlad isnt, he fights over cautious and deserves to be critisized for it, and the HW situation is the most dull it has been in history and that is at large portion due to wlad's style, so the people who dont appreciate this are well within their rights

have you honestly enjoyed a HW title fight involving wlad in the last 5 years?

[boozeboxer]

Without Klit brothers this era would truly suck. How could it be entertaining whenever all the guys besides the Brothers, Adamek, and Hayes are out-of-shape or 50 year old shot up fighters.

Truly someone name 5 guys under 40 that aren't fat as fuck and that truly come to fight? And yes, Areolla is a fat fuck. I'll give you Lyakovich I guess.


How can anyone claim to be a professional boxer, yet come in 60-80 pounds overweight? Baffles me. Not only that, but we are talking about James TOney (who actually had skill), we are talking about fat fucks without skill.

[Pugilistic]

Without Klit brothers this era would truly suck. How could it be entertaining whenever all the guys besides the Brothers, Adamek, and Hayes are out-of-shape or 50 year old shot up fighters.

Truly someone name 5 guys under 40 that aren't fat as fuck and that truly come to fight? And yes, Areolla is a fat fuck. I'll give you Lyakovich I guess.


How can anyone claim to be a professional boxer, yet come in 60-80 pounds overweight? Baffles me. Not only that, but we are talking about James TOney (who actually had skill), we are talking about fat fucks without skill.

Thank you.....

[Rantcatrat]

Booze, arreola is now at 235 in his last three fights. He appears rededicated to the craft.

Without Klit brothers this era would truly suck. How could it be entertaining whenever all the guys besides the Brothers, Adamek, and Hayes are out-of-shape or 50 year old shot up fighters. <br />
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Truly someone name 5 guys under 40 that aren't fat as fuck and that truly come to fight? And yes, Areolla is a fat fuck. I'll give you Lyakovich I guess.<br />
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How can anyone claim to be a professional boxer, yet come in 60-80 pounds overweight? Baffles me. Not only that, but we are talking about James TOney (who actually had skill), we are talking about fat fucks without skill.

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[boozeboxer]

Booze, arreola is now at 235 in his last three fights. He appears rededicated to the craft.

Without Klit brothers this era would truly suck. How could it be entertaining whenever all the guys besides the Brothers, Adamek, and Hayes are out-of-shape or 50 year old shot up fighters. <br />
<br />
Truly someone name 5 guys under 40 that aren't fat as fuck and that truly come to fight? And yes, Areolla is a fat fuck. I'll give you Lyakovich I guess.<br />
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How can anyone claim to be a professional boxer, yet come in 60-80 pounds overweight? Baffles me. Not only that, but we are talking about James TOney (who actually had skill), we are talking about fat fucks without skill.

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He may weigh 235...........in his bra.




Seriously, I saw clips of his last fight. He is still a fat-fuck. I bet whenever he tells people he is a professional fighter they do not believe him. Speaking of that, if he is 235 and that fatty........is he 4' 3?

[AdamGB]

Maybe he's just big boned?

[El Kabong]

I wouldn't waste my time arguing with erics44 it simply doesn't compute in his warped little nationalistic ginger brain that people may actually enjoy watching Klitschko (Wlad or Vitali) fight. I thought Wlad vs Tony Thompson was not only entertaining but competitive.

And for anyone looking for "in shape" heavyweights the following fighters have always been in good shape for their fights: Dimitrenko, Povetkin, Boytsov, Chagaev, Wilder (perhaps TOO skinny), Kubrat Pulev, Evander Holyfield (old, but still in great shape), Jonathan Banks, Seth Mitchell. Those guys never show up fat.

[Mars_ax]

I wouldn't waste my time arguing with erics44 it simply doesn't compute in his warped little nationalistic ginger brain that people may actually enjoy watching Klitschko (Wlad or Vitali) fight. I thought Wlad vs Tony Thompson was not only entertaining but competitive.

And for anyone looking for "in shape" heavyweights the following fighters have always been in good shape for their fights: Dimitrenko, Povetkin, Boytsov, Chagaev, Wilder (perhaps TOO skinny), Kubrat Pulev, Evander Holyfield (old, but still in great shape), Jonathan Banks, Seth Mitchell. Those guys never show up fat.

What Erics mainly does is blither nonsense.

[erics44]

I wouldn't waste my time arguing with erics44 it simply doesn't compute in his warped little nationalistic ginger brain that people may actually enjoy watching Klitschko (Wlad or Vitali) fight. I thought Wlad vs Tony Thompson was not only entertaining but competitive.

And for anyone looking for "in shape" heavyweights the following fighters have always been in good shape for their fights: Dimitrenko, Povetkin, Boytsov, Chagaev, Wilder (perhaps TOO skinny), Kubrat Pulev, Evander Holyfield (old, but still in great shape), Jonathan Banks, Seth Mitchell. Those guys never show up fat.

wlad v thompson? you honestly enjoyed that fight? I have to say even in your wlad blinkered world i dont believe that

and i never said that no-one enjoys wlads fights you are reading things that arent there, I know for a fact that thousands of eastern europeans seem to enjoy a wlad fight night

I am saying that the vast majority of neutral fans would have enjoyed the HW division a lot more when all the dominant champs back to sonny liston were at the top and that until the Klits retire we will not have an exciting division that compares to those times

its not that hard to understand is it?

its not hard to understand, its a point of view

[boozeboxer]

I wouldn't waste my time arguing with erics44 it simply doesn't compute in his warped little nationalistic ginger brain that people may actually enjoy watching Klitschko (Wlad or Vitali) fight. I thought Wlad vs Tony Thompson was not only entertaining but competitive.

And for anyone looking for "in shape" heavyweights the following fighters have always been in good shape for their fights: Dimitrenko, Povetkin, Boytsov, Chagaev, Wilder (perhaps TOO skinny), Kubrat Pulev, Evander Holyfield (old, but still in great shape), Jonathan Banks, Seth Mitchell. Those guys never show up fat.

Lyle I laughed when I read your list! Maybe true but sad.

[Rantcatrat]

Booze, nah, honestly, Arreola has shown up trim in his last say 3 fights, but of course, that is a far cry from saying he can beat a Klit.

Erics44, I thought Arreola versus Vitali wasn't a bad fight, even tho vitali dominated, and I thought, Wlad versus Sam Peters 2 was fun to watch.

But, you should check out the Vitali versus Adamek fight and the Chagaev versus Povetkin fights. To be honest, the blue print is out on how to beat Wlad, but it takes someone who trusts their chin more than Haye did and is willing to take risks. We saw Wlad beat a few times, you just need to take a risk to get inside his reach, and you need a chin to do that.

Wlad is a champ for a reason-he's damn good. He'll win until someone better comes along. So far, no one has, so the belts are his. That's how it should be.

[erics44]

Booze, nah, honestly, Arreola has shown up trim in his last say 3 fights, but of course, that is a far cry from saying he can beat a Klit.

Erics44, I thought Arreola versus Vitali wasn't a bad fight, even tho vitali dominated, and I thought, Wlad versus Sam Peters 2 was fun to watch.

But, you should check out the Vitali versus Adamek fight and the Chagaev versus Povetkin fights. To be honest, the blue print is out on how to beat Wlad, but it takes someone who trusts their chin more than Haye did and is willing to take risks. We saw Wlad beat a few times, you just need to take a risk to get inside his reach, and you need a chin to do that.

Wlad is a champ for a reason-he's damn good. He'll win until someone better comes along. So far, no one has, so the belts are his. That's how it should be.

yep vitali v areola was alright, vitali takes more risks than wlad and generally is in better fights

the fight against solis could have been decent had it gone a bit further

I dont think wlad v peter 2 was fun to watch, it was as frustrating as all wlads fights, yes the end was alright but that was it, he could have KOed him 5 rounds earlier but stayed behind the jab

and I think wlad is a different fighter now than when he lost, i dont think that blue print is there anymore, i think it will take a lot more to beat him now

[Mars_ax]

Exactly, what I always say is, if you think the HW division is bad now, try to imagine what it would be like without the Klitschko Brothers.

perhaps less skill but definately more entertainment

Not necessarily either, logically, if you take away the K-Bros, and who have you really got from the rest of the division that's going to provide better fights and/or entertainment. The Klitschko Bros are over criticized, under-appreciated, and will be sorely missed by boxing and the HW division when they're gone.

thats not really logical, its valid opinion but one i disagree with

My opinion is if you take away the klit bros then the fighters below would then become the top HWs and would be more evenly matched, and there is a chance that an agressive fighter emerges as the top dog

I disagree with your last sentence also, their skill as the best HWs around is widely recognised, Vitali perhaps is over critisized Wlad isnt, he fights over cautious and deserves to be critisized for it, and the HW situation is the most dull it has been in history and that is at large portion due to wlad's style, so the people who dont appreciate this are well within their rights

have you honestly enjoyed a HW title fight involving wlad in the last 5 years?

Yes I have enjoyed some of Wlad's fights, and look Eric, I don't want to debate this topic with you, but if you think the HW division is dull now, don't take my word for it, just wait until the K-bros are gone. As for this being the dullest era in HW history, that just lets me know, that you know fuck all about HW boxing history.

I hope this helps.