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You take all factors into account: their impact on boxing, level of competition, sheer skill, drawing power..... there's NO way Holmes is anywhere near 3rd on the all-time list.
20 defences, wins over Norton, taking the punch of Shavers, the event of beating Cooney and beating Ali were great feats.
I agree with your post Master, except the part about beating Ali, this was a totally shot version of Ali, already showing signs of Pugilistic dementia, who shouldn't have even been in the ring with Holmes.

Doesn't Holmes' 20 HW Championship title defenses, only put him 2nd to Joe Louis at 25?

Yes which is why I have him 3rd on my list which no one has noticed.
2nd or 3rd for Holmes for me. Probably the most likely to beat a prime Ali imo.