Fighters that you (controversially) think are overrated

[armyash]

Joe Calzaghe for me

For somebody with the amatuer record and pedigree he had and then to hold a title for 12 years undefeated and still be very widely put down and discredited I'd say the guy is extremely underrated.

He accomplished a lot and it's a brilliant career but i just can't help but think he could have done more. How many times was there fights mentioned/pencilled in for them to be cancelled or he would fight someone we had barely heard of?

I'm not slagging him off as i said previously i am a fan but i think he was a little overrated. My view might change in years to come as i look back but for now that's my opinion. A long title reign is admirable but opponents are also taken in to consideration when judging the reign.

[Kev]

I agree with Tszyu and by association Hatton.

Currently

Segura is the most overatted currently. Ridiculous that he's p4p for beating up a 38 year old tiny tiny tiny man with no power at all.(he'll be 2012's Christian Mijares and will lose his title to a 11-3-1 phenom)
Sergio Martinez
Nonito Donaire
Frankie Gavin

[armyash]

I agree with Tszyu and by association Hatton.

Currently

Segura is the most overatted currently. Ridiculous that he's p4p for beating up a 38 year old tiny tiny tiny man with no power at all.(he'll be 2012's Christian Mijares and will lose his title to a 11-3-1 phenom)
Sergio Martinez
Nonito Donaire
Frankie Gavin

Agree Hatton was a little overrated i wonder if he ever thinks it would have been a good idea to not balloon so badly between fights, not that it would have affected the outcome of his losses greatly but maybe would have prolonged his career slightly.

Too early to say about Gavin at the moment i think he's lazy and needs a good kick up the arse and possibly a different trainer, I have a feeling he is the boss of Farnell who is just happy to have him on his books and doesn't want to rock the boat. He needs a no nonsense trainer and i dont think Farnell is that trainer.

[Mars_ax]

I agree with Tszyu and by association Hatton.

Currently

Segura is the most overatted currently. Ridiculous that he's p4p for beating up a 38 year old tiny tiny tiny man with no power at all.(he'll be 2012's Christian Mijares and will lose his title to a 11-3-1 phenom)
Sergio Martinez
Nonito Donaire
Frankie Gavin

Sergio Martinez & Nonito Donaire are overrated? I don't understand that at all, so who's rated above them?

[Kev]

I agree with Tszyu and by association Hatton.

Currently

Segura is the most overatted currently. Ridiculous that he's p4p for beating up a 38 year old tiny tiny tiny man with no power at all.(he'll be 2012's Christian Mijares and will lose his title to a 11-3-1 phenom)
Sergio Martinez
Nonito Donaire
Frankie Gavin

Sergio Martinez & Nonito Donaire are overrated? I don't understand that at all, so who's rated above them?

Well according to the Ring magazine only Manny, and thats my point.

Martinez hasn't done a great deal in my opinion to prove he's the second best fighter on the planet. Went 1-1 with Paul Williams, drew with Cintron and outpointed an out of form and alcoholic Kelly Pavlik.

I've seen nothing from him that makes me think he could have beaten a prime Hopkins at the weight, or even a prime Pavlik. He's a good fighter who has happened to make his way to the middleweight division at exactly the right time.

Donaire I believe may well prove himself to be great, he looks to have sublime skills, but he hasn't acomplished much in comparison to the other top guys, although his win over Montiel definitely propelled him up there.

Still I'm not yet convinced he's much ahead of guys like Gamboa orJuan Manuel Lopez and he may well yet get found out as he faces tougher opposition.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I agree with Tszyu and by association Hatton.

Currently

Segura is the most overatted currently. Ridiculous that he's p4p for beating up a 38 year old tiny tiny tiny man with no power at all.(he'll be 2012's Christian Mijares and will lose his title to a 11-3-1 phenom)
Sergio Martinez
Nonito Donaire
Frankie Gavin

Funny

Add DeGale & Audley Harrison to that list would you?

[BIG H]

Joe Calzaghe for me

For somebody with the amatuer record and pedigree he had and then to hold a title for 12 years undefeated and still be very widely put down and discredited I'd say the guy is extremely underrated.

He accomplished a lot and it's a brilliant career but i just can't help but think he could have done more. How many times was there fights mentioned/pencilled in for them to be cancelled or he would fight someone we had barely heard of?

I'm not slagging him off as i said previously i am a fan but i think he was a little overrated. My view might change in years to come as i look back but for now that's my opinion. A long title reign is admirable but opponents are also taken in to consideration when judging the reign.

Fair play mate, but I don't buy the argument about his opposition. I really don't see who was operating at SMW during his reign that he should've fought and didn't - except perhaps Ottke and JC would've outclassed him very comfortably imo. I'm not saying JC's oppoistion was great, but I wanna know who he should've fought and didn't - remembering it takes 2 to tango.

[marbleheadmaui]

Joe Calzaghe for me

For somebody with the amatuer record and pedigree he had and then to hold a title for 12 years undefeated and still be very widely put down and discredited I'd say the guy is extremely underrated.

He accomplished a lot and it's a brilliant career but i just can't help but think he could have done more. How many times was there fights mentioned/pencilled in for them to be cancelled or he would fight someone we had barely heard of?

I'm not slagging him off as i said previously i am a fan but i think he was a little overrated. My view might change in years to come as i look back but for now that's my opinion. A long title reign is admirable but opponents are also taken in to consideration when judging the reign.

Fair play mate, but I don't buy the argument about his opposition. I really don't see who was operating at SMW during his reign that he should've fought and didn't - except perhaps Ottke and JC would've outclassed him very comfortably imo. I'm not saying JC's oppoistion was great, but I wanna know who he should've fought and didn't - remembering it takes 2 to tango.

Ottke, Jones (earlier), Frankie Liles and Antwun Echols would sure have spiced up that resume.

[BIG H]

Joe Calzaghe for me

For somebody with the amatuer record and pedigree he had and then to hold a title for 12 years undefeated and still be very widely put down and discredited I'd say the guy is extremely underrated.

He accomplished a lot and it's a brilliant career but i just can't help but think he could have done more. How many times was there fights mentioned/pencilled in for them to be cancelled or he would fight someone we had barely heard of?

I'm not slagging him off as i said previously i am a fan but i think he was a little overrated. My view might change in years to come as i look back but for now that's my opinion. A long title reign is admirable but opponents are also taken in to consideration when judging the reign.

Fair play mate, but I don't buy the argument about his opposition. I really don't see who was operating at SMW during his reign that he should've fought and didn't - except perhaps Ottke and JC would've outclassed him very comfortably imo. I'm not saying JC's oppoistion was great, but I wanna know who he should've fought and didn't - remembering it takes 2 to tango.

Ottke, Jones (earlier), Frankie Liles and Antwun Echols would sure have spiced up that resume.

How many times to I/We have to explain about Echols and Liles I mentioned Ottke and RJJ was not ever at SMW during Calzgahe's reign.

[marbleheadmaui]

Joe Calzaghe for me

For somebody with the amatuer record and pedigree he had and then to hold a title for 12 years undefeated and still be very widely put down and discredited I'd say the guy is extremely underrated.

He accomplished a lot and it's a brilliant career but i just can't help but think he could have done more. How many times was there fights mentioned/pencilled in for them to be cancelled or he would fight someone we had barely heard of?

I'm not slagging him off as i said previously i am a fan but i think he was a little overrated. My view might change in years to come as i look back but for now that's my opinion. A long title reign is admirable but opponents are also taken in to consideration when judging the reign.

Fair play mate, but I don't buy the argument about his opposition. I really don't see who was operating at SMW during his reign that he should've fought and didn't - except perhaps Ottke and JC would've outclassed him very comfortably imo. I'm not saying JC's oppoistion was great, but I wanna know who he should've fought and didn't - remembering it takes 2 to tango.

Ottke, Jones (earlier), Frankie Liles and Antwun Echols would sure have spiced up that resume.

How many times to I/We have to explain about Echols and Liles I mentioned Ottke and RJJ was not ever at SMW during Calzgahe's reign.

Let's try the actual, ya know, FACTS.

1996 Jones was still at 168. He moved up in 1997 the same year Calzaghe wins a strap.
1998 Liles is ranked #1, Calzaghe #2
1999 Calzaghe #1, Liles #7
2001 Calzaghe #2, Echols #4
2002 Calzaghe #1, Echols #3
2003 Calzaghe #1, Echols #4
2004 Calzaghe #1, Echols #4

Now do you NOT think those names would have improved Calzaghe's resume?

[BIG H]

Joe Calzaghe for me

For somebody with the amatuer record and pedigree he had and then to hold a title for 12 years undefeated and still be very widely put down and discredited I'd say the guy is extremely underrated.

He accomplished a lot and it's a brilliant career but i just can't help but think he could have done more. How many times was there fights mentioned/pencilled in for them to be cancelled or he would fight someone we had barely heard of?

I'm not slagging him off as i said previously i am a fan but i think he was a little overrated. My view might change in years to come as i look back but for now that's my opinion. A long title reign is admirable but opponents are also taken in to consideration when judging the reign.

Fair play mate, but I don't buy the argument about his opposition. I really don't see who was operating at SMW during his reign that he should've fought and didn't - except perhaps Ottke and JC would've outclassed him very comfortably imo. I'm not saying JC's oppoistion was great, but I wanna know who he should've fought and didn't - remembering it takes 2 to tango.

Ottke, Jones (earlier), Frankie Liles and Antwun Echols would sure have spiced up that resume.

How many times to I/We have to explain about Echols and Liles I mentioned Ottke and RJJ was not ever at SMW during Calzgahe's reign.

Let's try the actual, ya know, FACTS.

1996 Jones was still at 168. He moved up in 1997 the same year Calzaghe wins a strap.
1998 Liles is ranked #1, Calzaghe #2
1999 Calzaghe #1, Liles #7
2001 Calzaghe #2, Echols #4
2002 Calzaghe #1, Echols #3
2003 Calzaghe #1, Echols #4
2004 Calzaghe #1, Echols #4

Now do you NOT think those names would have improved Calzaghe's resume?

No, not at all!! And I will now explain why.....

Liles only fought a couple of times after 97, one of which he got Koed by Mitchell, whom Calzaghe took out in less than 9 minutes, begs the question why would Liles even have been on the radar. Echols: He probably had one decent win around that time (Brewer) after having already lost he then went on to lose to world beating Anthony Mundine and Kingsley Ikeke. Echols never deserved a shot and doesn't belong in the same breath.

P.S As I said RJJ was never a SMW during JCs reign. He was LHW champion from 96. Let's face it, if they had've fought Jones would've one pretty handily

[marbleheadmaui]

Joe Calzaghe for me

For somebody with the amatuer record and pedigree he had and then to hold a title for 12 years undefeated and still be very widely put down and discredited I'd say the guy is extremely underrated.

He accomplished a lot and it's a brilliant career but i just can't help but think he could have done more. How many times was there fights mentioned/pencilled in for them to be cancelled or he would fight someone we had barely heard of?

I'm not slagging him off as i said previously i am a fan but i think he was a little overrated. My view might change in years to come as i look back but for now that's my opinion. A long title reign is admirable but opponents are also taken in to consideration when judging the reign.

Fair play mate, but I don't buy the argument about his opposition. I really don't see who was operating at SMW during his reign that he should've fought and didn't - except perhaps Ottke and JC would've outclassed him very comfortably imo. I'm not saying JC's oppoistion was great, but I wanna know who he should've fought and didn't - remembering it takes 2 to tango.

Ottke, Jones (earlier), Frankie Liles and Antwun Echols would sure have spiced up that resume.

How many times to I/We have to explain about Echols and Liles I mentioned Ottke and RJJ was not ever at SMW during Calzgahe's reign.

Let's try the actual, ya know, FACTS.

1996 Jones was still at 168. He moved up in 1997 the same year Calzaghe wins a strap.
1998 Liles is ranked #1, Calzaghe #2
1999 Calzaghe #1, Liles #7
2001 Calzaghe #2, Echols #4
2002 Calzaghe #1, Echols #3
2003 Calzaghe #1, Echols #4
2004 Calzaghe #1, Echols #4

Now do you NOT think those names would have improved Calzaghe's resume?

No, not at all!! And I will now explain why.....

Liles only fought a couple of times after 97, one of which he got Koed by Mitchell, whom Calzaghe took out in less than 9 minutes, begs the question why would Liles even have been on the radar. Echols: He probably had one decent win around that time (Brewer) after having already lost he then went on to lose to world beating Anthony Mundine and Kingsley Ikeke. Echols never deserved a shot and doesn't belong in the same breath.

P.S As I said RJJ was never a SMW during JCs reign. He was LHW champion from 96. Let's face it, if they had've fought Jones would've one pretty handily

I don't buy ANY of it!!!!!!!!! NONE! (Stubborn? Not me)

It's funny, I think Calzaghe had a real toughness to him and that the athletic gap between Jones and Calzaghe is smaller than most think. I think by say 1998? That's a competitive fight. I think Jones wins, but I don't think it's a walkover.