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    Default Re: Amir Khan against southpaws

    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    One doesn't become undisputed WW champion by just being a " good " southpaw..

    Zab may be inconsistent but he does have special talent and there's no doubt that he's an elite southpaw when he puts it all together. smh..
    He beat one fighter ( Cory Spinks, overrated) to earn the undisputed welterweight championship, it's not like he went through the division and won the title one by one. He only defended that undisputed title once against a bum.

    He didn't defend all his titles next fight because Baldomir didn't pay santion fees. Judah went on to lose to Baldomir who is a journeymen meaning his other belts became vacant.

    He won the undisputed title 6 years ago by the way, 6 years is a long time ago in boxing.

    A fighter who loses to Baldomir is not an elite fighter.

    He was a good southpaw then, and has only got worse since.
    All of the above.

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    Based on that analogy, anybody who loses to Breidis Prescott ( Via KO1 lol ) can't be considered as an elite fighter either. If ya think Zab is some B level fighter, then this is a battle between TWO B level guys..

    Anybody who boxes would clearly understand that Zab is an elite southpaw. It's not even debatable.

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    Aside from sparring, he fought Mario Kindelan three times in the amateurs. I happen to think he lost all three, but in none of them did he look like a guy who struggled with leftys. The issue in the McCloskey fight was that McCloskey used tactics that made Haye against Wlad look like Paul Williams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JazMerkin View Post
    Aside from sparring, he fought Mario Kindelan three times in the amateurs. I happen to think he lost all three, but in none of them did he look like a guy who struggled with leftys. The issue in the McCloskey fight was that McCloskey used tactics that made Haye against Wlad look like Paul Williams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Based on that analogy, anybody who loses to Breidis Prescott ( Via KO1 lol ) can't be considered as an elite fighter either. If ya think Zab is some B level fighter, then this is a battle between TWO B level guys..

    Anybody who boxes would clearly understand that Zab is an elite southpaw. It's not even debatable.
    when was his last good win? If Judah is elite when was his last win against another elite fighter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Based on that analogy, anybody who loses to Breidis Prescott ( Via KO1 lol ) can't be considered as an elite fighter either. If ya think Zab is some B level fighter, then this is a battle between TWO B level guys..

    Anybody who boxes would clearly understand that Zab is an elite southpaw. It's not even debatable.
    when was his last good win? If Judah is elite when was his last win against another elite fighter?
    Judah has never beaten a elite fighter. He was competitive with Floyd for 2-3 rounds if that counts

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Based on that analogy, anybody who loses to Breidis Prescott ( Via KO1 lol ) can't be considered as an elite fighter either. If ya think Zab is some B level fighter, then this is a battle between TWO B level guys..

    Anybody who boxes would clearly understand that Zab is an elite southpaw. It's not even debatable.
    I never said Khan was a elite fighter, not yet anyway.

    Khan's loss to Prescott happened early in his career where Judah was a experienced champion who lost to a journeymen. Judah was at his best then, while Khan was a prospect. Poor comparison.

    Judah's best win in his career is his win over Spinks. That doesn't shout out a elite fighter to me.

    "Elite" southpaws don't get destroyed by Miguel Cotto either. They beat his ass and stop him in 12 ( Pacquiao). ( No disrespect to Cotto as he is a good fighter.)

    Judah was never a elite southpaw, especially not now.
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    or his win over Matthysse,debatable as it was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Based on that analogy, anybody who loses to Breidis Prescott ( Via KO1 lol ) can't be considered as an elite fighter either. If ya think Zab is some B level fighter, then this is a battle between TWO B level guys.. <br />
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    Anybody who boxes would clearly understand that Zab is an elite southpaw. It's not even debatable.
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    I never said Khan was a elite fighter, not yet anyway.<br />
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    Khan's loss to Prescott happened early in his career where Judah was a experienced champion who lost to a journeymen. Judah was at his best then, while Khan was a prospect. Poor comparison.<br />
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    Judah's best win in his career is his win over Spinks. That doesn't shout out a elite fighter to me.<br />
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    &quot;Elite&quot; southpaws don't get destroyed by Miguel Cotto either. They beat his ass and stop him in 12 cough Pacquiao Cough. ( No disrespect to Cotto as he is a good fighter.)<br />
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    Judah was never a elite southpaw, especially not now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rantcatrat View Post
    or his win over Matthysse,debatable as it was.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Based on that analogy, anybody who loses to Breidis Prescott ( Via KO1 lol ) can't be considered as an elite fighter either. If ya think Zab is some B level fighter, then this is a battle between TWO B level guys.. <br />
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    Anybody who boxes would clearly understand that Zab is an elite southpaw. It's not even debatable.
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    I never said Khan was a elite fighter, not yet anyway.<br />
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    Khan's loss to Prescott happened early in his career where Judah was a experienced champion who lost to a journeymen. Judah was at his best then, while Khan was a prospect. Poor comparison.<br />
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    Judah's best win in his career is his win over Spinks. That doesn't shout out a elite fighter to me.<br />
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    &quot;Elite&quot; southpaws don't get destroyed by Miguel Cotto either. They beat his ass and stop him in 12 cough Pacquiao Cough. ( No disrespect to Cotto as he is a good fighter.)<br />
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    Judah was never a elite southpaw, especially not now.
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    Whats that supposed to mean....

    The < br/> thing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    Based on that analogy, anybody who loses to Breidis Prescott ( Via KO1 lol ) can't be considered as an elite fighter either. If ya think Zab is some B level fighter, then this is a battle between TWO B level guys..

    Anybody who boxes would clearly understand that Zab is an elite southpaw. It's not even debatable.
    I never said Khan was a elite fighter, not yet anyway.

    Khan's loss to Prescott happened early in his career where Judah was a experienced champion who lost to a journeymen. Judah was at his best then, while Khan was a prospect. Poor comparison.

    Judah's best win in his career is his win over Spinks. That doesn't shout out a elite fighter to me.

    "Elite" southpaws don't get destroyed by Miguel Cotto either. They beat his ass and stop him in 12 ( Pacquiao). ( No disrespect to Cotto as he is a good fighter.)

    Judah was never a elite southpaw, especially not now.
    Manny Pacquiao is not an elite southpaw, he is way above that. Judah is "ELITE" he is a 2 weight multiple time world champion who has had his ups and downs in his career. I truly believe he will be Khans biggest test to date and I would not be surprised if he beats Khan.

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    As expected, Fenster and rjj Tszyu knows what they are talking about. But the rest of you............ ya aint got a clue.

    Judah is not an elite huh.. wow. This is common sense to anybody who really knows boxing so im not even going to explain..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    As expected, Fenster and rjj Tszyu knows what they are talking about. But the rest of you............ ya aint got a clue.

    Judah is not an elite huh.. wow. This is common sense to anybody who really knows boxing so im not even going to explain.
    haha you make me laugh. You talking a good game but you have shown me nothing that proves to me Judah is elite.

    I will make a poll if you want asking our fellow boxing fans if they think Judah is elite. I wouldn't like to upset you but i bet the majority say Judah is not elite. He's one of the better fighters at 140 but an elite fighter..............please.

    Is Judah on Pacquiao's level ? answer the question.

    Pacquiao = Elite.
    Last edited by Pugilistic; 07-20-2011 at 07:35 PM.

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    Zab Judah was elite skillfully, just not mentally. Remember this is the guy to only legitmately floor Floyd Mayweather Jr, and stylistically gave him quite alot of problems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Pugilistic View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita View Post
    One doesn't become undisputed WW champion by just being a " good " southpaw..

    Zab may be inconsistent but he does have special talent and there's no doubt that he's an elite southpaw when he puts it all together. smh..
    He beat one fighter ( Cory Spinks, overrated) to earn the undisputed welterweight championship, it's not like he went through the division and won the title one by one. He only defended that undisputed title once against a bum.

    He didn't defend all his titles next fight because Baldomir didn't pay santion fees. Judah went on to lose to Baldomir who is a journeymen meaning his other belts became vacant.

    He won the undisputed title 6 years ago by the way, 6 years is a long time ago in boxing.

    A fighter who loses to Baldomir is not an elite fighter.

    He was a good southpaw then, and has only got worse since.
    All of the above.
    Most of which is totally incorrect. Fact.
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    Default Re: Amir Khan against southpaws

    Quote Originally Posted by rjj tszyu View Post
    Judah's best win in his career is his win over Spinks. That doesn't shout out a elite fighter.

    Manny Pacquiao is not an elite southpaw, he is way above that. Judah is "ELITE" he is a 2 weight multiple time world champion who has had his ups and downs in his career. I truly believe he will be Khans biggest test to date and I would not be surprised if he beats Khan.
    Pacquiao is an elite southpaw. To be elite is to be one of the best. Thats what it means to me anyway.

    Judah is not one of the best, never was and especially not now. You can't be an elite when your best win is over Cory Spinks.

    Hatton was a two weight world champion who had his up and downs. He's not regarded as elite although he had a big win over a guy who stopped Judah in 2.

    Judah can certainly cause Khan alot of problems with his left hand and southpaw stance, i am aware he has the ability to maybe stun Khan and cause the upset although i don't think he will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Most of which is totally incorrect. Fact.
    Haha this makes me laugh. You make one sentence which claims most of what i wrote is wrong yet, you write nothing to back it up.

    Let me break it down for you just so you understand.

    -Judah won the undisputed world welterweight title by beating Cory Spinks in 9 rounds. FACT

    -Judah then defended his titles against a bum Cosme Rivera who he stopped in 3 rounds. FACT

    -Judah then defended his title against Carlos Baldomir. He only defended his WBC title because Baldomir didn't pay the sanctioning fees for the other belts. Judah went on to lose the fight which meant the other titles he didn't defend became vacant and of course the WBC title went to Baldomir. Baldomir's record at the time was 41-9-6 12KOs. It looks elite right ? Baldomir is a journeymen. FACT

    -Judah won that title 6 years ago, like a said a long time in boxing. 6 years ago Khan was a prospect fighting the likes of David Bailey and Daniel Thrope. Alot can change in 6 years. FACT

    -Judah has only got worse the past few years. Take a look at his record, thats all the proof you need. His best win since beating Spinks ? Mazuba or Matthysse, totally elite fighters right ? lol. FACT

    Last edited by Pugilistic; 07-20-2011 at 10:51 AM.

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