Fighters that you (controversially) think are overrated

[BIG H]

P.S - I take it you are all also seeing the mulitquotes all over the place? It's doing my nut in!!

[ICB]

All those quotes are giving me a headache, so i'll just say quickly. That i think style wise Aaron Pryor beats Kostya Tszyu just my opinion.

I agree with you, but thats not the point the others are making. It has been said on here that Tszyus record should not even be compared to Pryors as its so inferior. When in reality they are very similiar.

I think Aaron Pryor had better single wins, but Kostya Tszyu did unify and had a longer reign so that probably makes it about even.

Thankyou for looking at it with some logic. People on this thread have been acting like i'm comparing the records of Manny Pac to Bobby Pac or something! Good to be back on Saddo's.

Yea i haven't seen you for awhile last conversation i remember having with you, was debating about Hatton/Mayweather that was ages ago. I haven't been on at all myself really, i've recently comeback because i've been way behind on my boxing.

[marbleheadmaui]

Well in response to that try this.
He is saying becoming lineal champ is better than unifying the belts. How can this be though?
Because A) If you are beating all the other champs, one of them should be the lineal champ so in reality unifying means becoming lineal champ.or B) If the lineage has been broken, unifying effectively means you are the new lineal champ, as its hard to fight the lineal champ if there is none.
If you hold all the belts you are the champion no matter how the bodies define it as you have beaten everyone really.

But THAT's not true either!

What belt did Michael Spinks own when he was the reigning lineal heavyweight champion and fought Gerry Cooney and Mike Tyson? None. He had given up the IBF strap. Was he now not really the heavyweight champion? Of course not!

[ICB]

P.S - I take it you are all also seeing the mulitquotes all over the place? It's doing my nut in!!

Yes mate it made me all dizzy just looking at it, no way i can't be asked to read all that i'll go cross-eyed.

[BIG H]

P.S - I take it you are all also seeing the mulitquotes all over the place? It's doing my nut in!!

Yes mate it made me all dizzy just looking at it, no way i can't be asked to read all that i'll go cross-eyed.

This is what happens when Saddo fucks off on holiday

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Look Marbleheadmaui, if Kostya was not lineal champ at 140 after unifying who was? What else could he have done to become lineal champ?

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P.S - I take it you are all also seeing the mulitquotes all over the place? It's doing my nut in!!

Yes mate it made me all dizzy just looking at it, no way i can't be asked to read all that i'll go cross-eyed.

This is what happens when Saddo fucks off on holiday

Its all in good fun. No use contributing to a third of it then complaining

[marbleheadmaui]

Well answer this, if Kostya was not lineal champ at 140 after unifying who was?

Kostya had done enough to create a new line utterly independent of "unification" of straps. Him becoming THE MAN had ZERO to do with "unifying" alphabet belts. It was ENTIRELY because he beat the top fighters in the division, Had they not owned ANY belts, Kostya would still have done that and still have created a new line. Had he NOT fought Chavez and Zab and Sharmba because others owned the belts and ebaten the others instead? It would NOT have been enough to begin a new line.

And had these silly organizations stripped him for not paying their extortion? He STILL would have been champion until he was beaten, retired, or moved up. I mean was Kostya any less a champion when the WBA and WBC stripped him? By your argument the answer is yes.

[BIG H]

P.S - I take it you are all also seeing the mulitquotes all over the place? It's doing my nut in!!

Yes mate it made me all dizzy just looking at it, no way i can't be asked to read all that i'll go cross-eyed.

This is what happens when Saddo fucks off on holiday

Its all in good fun. No use contributing to a third of it then complaining

Lol, no I meant the multiquotes that are making threads unreadable. Is that not happening for you?

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Well answer this, if Kostya was not lineal champ at 140 after unifying who was?

Kostya had done enough to create a new line utterly independent of "unification" of straps. Him becoming THE MAN had ZERO to do with "unifying" alphabet belts. It was ENTIRELY because he beat the top fighters in the division, Had they not owned ANY belts, Kostya would still have done that and still have created a new line. Had he NOT fought Chavez and Zab and Sharmba because others owned the belts and ebaten the others instead? It would NOT have been enough to begin a new line.

And had these silly organizations stripped him for not paying their extortion? He STILL would have been champion until he was beaten, retired, or moved up. I mean was Kostya any less a champion when the WBA and WBC stripped him? By your argument the answer is yes.

Yes, Victory! Earlier you said one of the main reasons Pryor's record was better was because he had become lineal champ and Kostya had not. Now you have said Kostya had done. So it just proves how even their recors were and that Tszsyu deserves to be mentioned in the same 'league; as Pryor. Thank you argument over.

[marbleheadmaui]

I MUCH prefer vacant championships to multiple ones. They should be hard to win, not participation certificates (No hyperbole there huh?)

There is no prefect answer. But whilst sport is about money there will always be coruption and having a lineal champion 'crowned' by virtue of a judging decision in a fight he clearly hasn't won, negates the 'function of what happens in the ring' part[/QUOTE]

Not in a million years it doesn't. It detracts from it. But it hardly negates it. Boxing is a subjectively judged sport. I don't know what can be done about that. Attempts to make the amateurs more objective have caused more harm than good as far as the pro sport goes.

I agree there is no perfect answer. But it is IMPOSSIBLE for the alphabet gangs to be part of a good one

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P.S - I take it you are all also seeing the mulitquotes all over the place? It's doing my nut in!!

Yes mate it made me all dizzy just looking at it, no way i can't be asked to read all that i'll go cross-eyed.

This is what happens when Saddo fucks off on holiday

Its all in good fun. No use contributing to a third of it then complaining

Lol, no I meant the multiquotes that are making threads unreadable. Is that not happening for you?

Yeah i know but i meant you were involved in the multiquotes. My brain hurts more trying to follow some of the thoeries on here. Including my own!

[marbleheadmaui]

Well answer this, if Kostya was not lineal champ at 140 after unifying who was?

Kostya had done enough to create a new line utterly independent of "unification" of straps. Him becoming THE MAN had ZERO to do with "unifying" alphabet belts. It was ENTIRELY because he beat the top fighters in the division, Had they not owned ANY belts, Kostya would still have done that and still have created a new line. Had he NOT fought Chavez and Zab and Sharmba because others owned the belts and ebaten the others instead? It would NOT have been enough to begin a new line.

And had these silly organizations stripped him for not paying their extortion? He STILL would have been champion until he was beaten, retired, or moved up. I mean was Kostya any less a champion when the WBA and WBC stripped him? By your argument the answer is yes.

Yes, Victory! Earlier you said one of the main reasons Pryor's record was better was because he had become lineal champ and Kostya had not. Now you have said Kostya had done. So it just proves how even their recors were and that Tszsyu deserves to be mentioned in the same 'league; as Pryor. Thank you argument over.

I NEVER said Kostya wasn't a lineal champion. What part of 3 HOFers vs one do you not understand

And just so we're clear here's a quote from the post where I compared them

Pryor-Defeated HOFers on three occasions. A dozen wins over ranked guys. Over 30 wins.

Kostya-One win over a HOFer, a dozen wins over ranked guys and over thirty wins.

So I treated them the same on that point.

NOW the argument is over

Thanks for your thoughts I'm out!

[El Kabong]

Riddick Bowe - thinnest resume of any true heavyweight champion...maybe in the history of boxing when you look at who he could have fought and who he chose to fight.

Bowe is one of those "I saw him with my eyes" guys.

On one of his best three nights (about all he had) he gives any heavyweight in history a battle.

Any other night? eer, um, not so much

Lennox Lewis manhandled him in the amateurs and Bowe never fought anyone that was all that great of a puncher. People think the Klitschko's have a size advantage now...just look at who Bowe fought! Holyfield and Golota guys much smaller than Riddick gave him absolute hell. Had Bowe fought Mercer, Morrison, Moorer, Tyson(yes even after prison), Briggs, Ruddock et al he more than likely would have lost and lost by KO! Bowe had size and he had skill but he was very flawed as well.

Arturo Gatti is overrated in his skill from his many battles but as a blood and guts warrior not many measure up to him.

[Spicoli]

The day Briggs beats a Holyfield part 1 type Bowe is the day I eat both my boots. Shoot this thread screams Briggs .....minus the controversially part