If Pac was Juicing (Doubt he is) it would not affect his legacy

[Dropanuke]

I also think he would b a sham if he was on peds!!

[piye]

I agree that Peds don't make you more skilled but look at the difference between Holyfield at Cruiser and then at heavy the fact that he was having heart problems before becoming a monster again at heavy suddenly.

It gives you a whole load of benefits.

[Master]

I hate to even think that these great fighters have used drugs, they are heroes.

[armyash]

I know it is down to the fighters own responsibility to know what is going in to their body but they employ the top nutritionists/dieticians and whoever else they can to get them in the best possible shape....but they pay a huge amount for these services by people who probably have more qualifications than i can dream of so they put a massive amount of trust in these people too.

Some people are just plain cheaters who will do anything possible to gain an advantage even if it means possibly causing permanent damage to another human being. Disgraceful.

For others it can be down to naivety,

take for example Vargas. His hatred for DLH was well documented and appeared very genuine. From early in his career he was calling for Oscar to fight him and always showed his willingness to fight him even when hugely inexperienced by comparison. Vargas was extremely popular and his heart was huge. I was a massive fan. I believe his passion for the sport was true and his career was always geared towards DLH. I don't believe he knowingly took an illegal substance, when going for the biggest fight of his life. Can you imagine what the win would have meant to him only to risk having it taken away from a stupid mistake. Vargas was all about pride and even though he had a lot of people who were not fans and slagged him off afterwards he did hold his hands up and admitted to a mistake and took his punishment.

I don't know what i believe regarding Pac but there's a lot of people to benefit if he is on PEDs. Pacman is not just a fighter he is an industry, a business with a lot of people on the payroll. A lot of big businesses i'm sure have a lot of shady dealings in order to stay ahead of the rest.

I'm a massive fan of his regardless but i think it would affect his legacy as he has accomplished so much that would become tainted.

He has every right to not agree to PBF's demands but his excuses are shit, if Money is prepared to take the same tests at the same notice and as close to the fight as needs be and face the physical disadvantages that may arise then there is no reason for Pac to not be prepared to do it.

Every man has his pride and he doesn't want to give Floyd the mental edge by giving in but in the grand scheme of things if he is 100% clean and 100% certain of victory then there is only 1 logical thing to do, and that pac is take the test

[piye]

I hate to even think that these great fighters have used drugs, they are heroes.

I think this is the general attitude and the reason fight fans choose to ignore cheating.

[imp]

I hate to even think that these great fighters have used drugs, they are heroes.

I think this is the general attitude and the reason fight fans choose to ignore cheating.

Stupid thing to say that tested positive for drugs should not affect his legacy..tell that to marion jones. A cheat is a cheat. Cheat your fans, family and most important yourself. Manny prob is clean, who knows..he still wont take the test. Was he on steriods when morales schooled his arse.

[piye]

I'm not saying that it should not affect the legacy it clearly should my point is that in boxing it won't! James Toney is still looked upon as a legend despite being caught twice.

[imp]

I'm not saying that it should not affect the legacy it clearly should my point is that in boxing it won't! James Toney is still looked upon as a legend despite being caught twice.

Fair enough. I see your point. Still wrong though. Just makes clean fighters more suberb in my eyes..

[xtianco]

I hate to even think that these great fighters have used drugs, they are heroes.

yes.. heroes!

[:::PSL:::]

RJJr went through similar crap. Did it affect his legacy? I don't think so.

Now if Roy or Manny (both fighter of the decade) got proven guilty, then ofcourse they'd deserve eternal ass chewing and must be brought to justice.

[piye]

RJJr went through similar crap. Did it affect his legacy? I don't think so.

Now if Roy or Manny (both fighter of the decade) got proven guilty, then ofcourse they'd deserve eternal ass chewing and must be brought to justice.

Roy was guilty he admitted to taking an illegal steroid but claims he got over the counter and did not know.

[erics44]

RJJr went through similar crap. Did it affect his legacy? I don't think so.

Now if Roy or Manny (both fighter of the decade) got proven guilty, then ofcourse they'd deserve eternal ass chewing and must be brought to justice.

Roy was guilty he admitted to taking an illegal steroid but claims he got over the counter and did not know.

yeah but that is utter bollox

loads of fighters have juiced and it hasnt affected anything

holyfield, mosley, rjj, toney are all still heros

margarito however who was also caught cheating is a villain and hated by everyone

one rule for one and one for another or what ever the saying is

[Andre]

RJJr went through similar crap. Did it affect his legacy? I don't think so.

Now if Roy or Manny (both fighter of the decade) got proven guilty, then ofcourse they'd deserve eternal ass chewing and must be brought to justice.

Any threat to American world domination either sporting or other wise is seen as that.

Roy and Pac wont be viewed the same by US fans.

[greynotsoold]

I think it is pretty obvious that Pac has been doing something. He went from 105 or 112 to 154 and got better, faster and stronger? To accept that as a fact of his natural ability is to be especially naive. It never ever worked that way before, and if training methods are so much better, then why do guys blow out in the 6th round of 12 round fights, when they used to do fights to the finish?
Now, I don't consider Holyfield a legend: he is an overrated product of recent times. Toney has been a dissapointment to me since he failed to ko RJJ; I believe that Moore, Charles, conn, Hagler, etc...(obvious non juicers) would have beaten him with a modicum of effort. The guy NEVER had the heart for a fight and was a product of a weak era.
For perspective, Henry Armstrong and Jimmy McClarnin did what they did without any possibility of steroids. So did Tony Canzoneri. Now, everybody jumps two or three weight classes.