More bulls**t!! Andre Berto has a title shot vs Jan Zaveck on September 24th

[boxingbantz]

If he's spot on then name all the available contenders who have been waiting for years for their title shot?

Do you even know who is in the welterweight division right now?

These poor guys that have been passed over don't even exist, they are a part of your imagination.

Here are the rankings for the IBF. Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see people RANKED get a title shot. That being the whole point of them (are as we are led to believe)...

1 NOT RATED
2 Randall Bailey United States
3 Mike Jones United States
4 Sebastian Lujuan Argentina
5 Rafal Jackiwicz Poland
6 Hector Saldivia Argentina
7 Said Ouali United States
8 Isaac Hlatshwayo South Africa
9 Wale Omotoso Australia
10 Andre Berto United States
11 Paul Malignaggi United States
12 Carson Jones United States
13 Shawn Porter United States
14 Diego Gabriel Chaves Argentina
15 Naoufel Ben Rabeh Tunisia

[JazMerkin]

Here are the rankings for the IBF. Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see people RANKED get a title shot. That being the whole point of them (are as we are led to believe)...

1 NOT RATED
2 Randall Bailey United States
3 Mike Jones United States
4 Sebastian Lujuan Argentina
5 Rafal Jackiwicz Poland
6 Hector Saldivia Argentina
7 Said Ouali United States
8 Isaac Hlatshwayo South Africa
9 Wale Omotoso Australia
10 Andre Berto United States
11 Paul Malignaggi United States
12 Carson Jones United States
13 Shawn Porter United States
14 &nbspiego Gabriel Chaves Argentina
15 Naoufel Ben Rabeh Tunisia

So you would rather see Randall Bailey (who I'm a fan of) get a shot than the 4th best 147lber in the world? Randall Bailey whose eliminator with Said Ouali ended in a no contest after Bailey accidentaly threw Ouali out of the ring? I mean surely a guy who lost a close FOTY candidate is a better choice.

I mean apart from arguably Mike Jones, there is no one else you can make an argument for being more worthy there? As I said Bailey/Ouali ended in a NC, Bailey hasn't fought since & Ouali has only beaten a journeyman. Saldivia who Ouali KO'd in a round is bizarrely rated above him after beating some Argentine marks.

Lujan has beaten Melligen, but not enough that he should be ahead of Berto. Hlatshwayo has already lost to Zaveck, but is still below Ben Rabeh who KO'd him a while back. Jackiewicz has also been beaten by Zaveck.

That leaves Omotoso, who is not really beyond local prospect level, & Jones. Jones is a decent choice & another top 10 fighter, however he's not so desperate for the shot & it appears is being lined by Top Rank for a fight on the Pacquiao-Marquez undercard.

I mean Zaveck is fighting the best guy available & this is a great fight in the welterweight division. The lineal champion is fighting the #2 ranked contender, the #1 ranked contender is facing the lineal lightweight champ & now we get #3 vs #4. This is what boxing should be, not guys earning less money so they can face a procession of alphabet commission approved losers.

I mean, who had a problem with Sergio Martinez facing the lineal champion at MW, having come off a draw & a loss?

I can't believe I'm writing this, but Bilbo is a 100% right.

[Kev]

If he's spot on then name all the available contenders who have been waiting for years for their title shot?

Do you even know who is in the welterweight division right now?

These poor guys that have been passed over don't even exist, they are a part of your imagination.

Here are the rankings for the IBF. Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see people RANKED get a title shot. That being the whole point of them (are as we are led to believe)...

1 NOT RATED
2 Randall Bailey United States
3 Mike Jones United States
4 Sebastian Lujuan Argentina
5 Rafal Jackiwicz Poland
6 Hector Saldivia Argentina
7 Said Ouali United States
8 Isaac Hlatshwayo South Africa
9 Wale Omotoso Australia
10 Andre Berto United States
11 Paul Malignaggi United States
12 Carson Jones United States
13 Shawn Porter United States
14 &nbspiego Gabriel Chaves Argentina
15 Naoufel Ben Rabeh Tunisia

Sorry, let me just be clear on what I think you are saying?

You think boxing has more legitimacy, and is more credible if Randall Bailey or Sebastion Lujon were to be a world champion than Andre Berto?

Fuck me sideways, the mindset of an internet boxing fan is something I will NEVER understand.

I can only assume you guys don't actually follow the sport at all and have no idea about these guys other than grabbing a link from a website.

Berto a world class, top level championship calibre fighter and you think it serves boxing better to give a journeyman a shot at a title instead?

You are a mentalist.

[mattboxingfan]

If he's spot on then name all the available contenders who have been waiting for years for their title shot?

Do you even know who is in the welterweight division right now?

These poor guys that have been passed over don't even exist, they are a part of your imagination.

Here are the rankings for the IBF. Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see people RANKED get a title shot. That being the whole point of them (are as we are led to believe)...

1 NOT RATED
2 Randall Bailey United States
3 Mike Jones United States
4 Sebastian Lujuan Argentina
5 Rafal Jackiwicz Poland
6 Hector Saldivia Argentina
7 Said Ouali United States
8 Isaac Hlatshwayo South Africa
9 Wale Omotoso Australia
10 Andre Berto United States
11 Paul Malignaggi United States
12 Carson Jones United States
13 Shawn Porter United States
14 &nbspiego Gabriel Chaves Argentina
15 Naoufel Ben Rabeh Tunisia

Sorry, let me just be clear on what I think you are saying?

You think boxing has more legitimacy, and is more credible if Randall Bailey or Sebastion Lujon were to be a world champion than Andre Berto?

Fuck me sideways, the mindset of an internet boxing fan is something I will NEVER understand.

I can only assume you guys don't actually follow the sport at all and have no idea about these guys other than grabbing a link from a website.

Berto a world class, top level championship calibre fighter and you think it serves boxing better to give a journeyman a shot at a title instead?

You are a mentalist.

If Berto is world class then he can WORK his way back to a title thats how ranking should be. You get your shot at the champ or defend you strip and if you lose you go DOWN the ranking and have to work you way up. If we were to just give former champions title shots then there would never be any new fighters coming through into the lime light.

Your starting to sound like the WBA with there love triangle of Ruiz, Valuev, Barrett.

[Kev]

If he's spot on then name all the available contenders who have been waiting for years for their title shot?

Do you even know who is in the welterweight division right now?

These poor guys that have been passed over don't even exist, they are a part of your imagination.

Here are the rankings for the IBF. Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to see people RANKED get a title shot. That being the whole point of them (are as we are led to believe)...

1 NOT RATED
2 Randall Bailey United States
3 Mike Jones United States
4 Sebastian Lujuan Argentina
5 Rafal Jackiwicz Poland
6 Hector Saldivia Argentina
7 Said Ouali United States
8 Isaac Hlatshwayo South Africa
9 Wale Omotoso Australia
10 Andre Berto United States
11 Paul Malignaggi United States
12 Carson Jones United States
13 Shawn Porter United States
14 &nbspiego Gabriel Chaves Argentina
15 Naoufel Ben Rabeh Tunisia

Sorry, let me just be clear on what I think you are saying?

You think boxing has more legitimacy, and is more credible if Randall Bailey or Sebastion Lujon were to be a world champion than Andre Berto?

Fuck me sideways, the mindset of an internet boxing fan is something I will NEVER understand.

I can only assume you guys don't actually follow the sport at all and have no idea about these guys other than grabbing a link from a website.

Berto a world class, top level championship calibre fighter and you think it serves boxing better to give a journeyman a shot at a title instead?

You are a mentalist.

If Berto is world class then he can WORK his way back to a title thats how ranking should be. You get your shot at the champ or defend you strip and if you lose you go DOWN the ranking and have to work you way up. If we were to just give former champions title shots then there would never be any new fighters coming through into the lime light.

Your starting to sound like the WBA with there love triangle of Ruiz, Valuev, Barrett.

If you are a challenger and lose then fair enough you would have a point. But Berto was a champion with 5 defenses already to his credit.

Top championship level fighters should be fighting for championships. our rules make no sense whatsover.

I presume you were also opposed to the following matchups.

Sergio Martinez fighting for the middleweight championship after a draw and a loss. He drew with Cintron, then lost to Paul Williams then fought Pavlik for the world title. Despite being considered by majority consent as one of the top 2 p4p fighters in the world you regard him as a phony champion I presume?

Juan Manuel Marquez lost every round to Flotd Mayweather then fought a lightweight title rematch against Juan Diaz. A travesty I'm sure you will agree.

Carl Froch lost his title against Kessler, then won it back in his very next fight against Artur Abraham. Surely Sakio Bika or Allen Green should have a had a shot

Matthew Macklin just lost to Felix Sturm in Germany. They are going to fight a rematch. Again dead wrong, Macklin lost he should fuck off.

Lets go back a bit and look at some more famous histroical fights...

George Foreman loses a title challenge to Tommy Morrison, then gets an immediate second shot to Michael Moorer. He made history by becoming the oldest champion in boxing history but that should never have been allowed to happen.

Roberto Duran lost a world title fight to Marvin Hagler then fought for another against Thomas Hearns in his next fight and lost that too! Waste of space.

Hearns himself was knocked out in 3 rounds by Iran Barkley and fought for another title in his next fight.

Ray Robinson lost a bunch of world title fights against Turpin, Fulmner, Bobo Olsen and was always given an immediate shot at redemption. Should never have happened.

Your point of view is skewed and bizarre. You'd rather a journeyman had a chance to win a world title than the 3 rd rated fighter in the division, whose last fight was a fight of the year contender barnburner and is a former world champ just about to enter his physical prime?