Exemplary

[marbleheadmaui]

You cannot argue that a Klitshcko doesn't tick off all of those traits. But they'll go down as greats.

I'm guessing you mean boxers not as great or legendary. Someone like Paul Mckloskey, the guy will always turn up for a fight and train everything he can. The adaptability tends to go hand in hand with most greats.

I still class the brilliantly one dimensional fighters as proper boxers. Love them actually.

Maidana, Katsidis, Rogan. All true boxers through and through. Head down and swinging, take pretty much anything you throw at them!

You could certainly make an argument that the Klitschkos don't take risky fights, but I'd agree they probably meet the criteria, although I personally don't consider them truly great in the way guys like Pac, Floyd & B-Hop are.

But, where I've really got to draw a line with you mentioning McCloskey. The man put in an absolutely disgusting non-effort in the fight with Khan & got away with it by saying he was planning for the later rounds. Even if you take that as true, what it shows is that he lacks 'bottom' as defined by MHM. The guys we're talking about try to win every second of every round & even if they're not succeeding they don't give up.

Rogan really does lack skill to be exemplary of a fighter. He was exciting, but with all due respect, if you're retiring on your stool against Sam Sexton, that's not a guy to be discussed with the likes of guy mentioned here.

However, Katsidis & Maidana are very good examples. Although they have a tremendous natural gift in that they've both got top level power, they're both far more skilled than credited with. Katsidis uses head movement very well to work his way to the inside, while Maidana is actually a guy who is very adept at adapting to opponents. You'll see how he adjusts the angles of where he throws right hands as a fight goes on. In fact, I can't think of a fight of his where he wasn't taking control later in the fight.

To be fair to the Ukranians, who, outside of each other, have they not fought who they should have?

[JazMerkin]

To be fair to the Ukranians, who, outside of each other, have they not fought who they should have?

It's not really a position that I ascribe to, I think that as fans we have to accept that certain fights just don't happen. Still I've (laughably imo) heard that the Klitschkos didn't want to fight Valuev, Tua, Holyfield, a 'prime Shannon Briggs' (whatever the fuck that is). As I said I think it's bollocks.

Where there could be a question is on 'risky opponents'. Lewis aside, has either bro ever fought a guy they weren't favoured to beat? Probably, but can't think of any off the top of my head. They'd meet my requirements.

[marbleheadmaui]

To be fair to the Ukranians, who, outside of each other, have they not fought who they should have?

It's not really a position that I ascribe to, I think that as fans we have to accept that certain fights just don't happen. Still I've (laughably imo) heard that the Klitschkos didn't want to fight Valuev, Tua, Holyfield, a 'prime Shannon Briggs' (whatever the fuck that is). As I said I think it's bollocks.

Where there could be a question is on 'risky opponents'. Lewis aside, has either bro ever fought a guy they weren't favoured to beat? Probably, but can't think of any off the top of my head. They'd meet my requirements.

You're rolling tonight. Another fine post.

[0james0]

Yeah I take back Mclosckey.

Wasn't really thinking, got caught up more in the "train hard take it serious" trait than the others.

Stand by Rogan though, that guy was built to be a fighter, lack of skills yes, the Sexton 2 night was odd, he didn't seem his normal self at all.