Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds: Karmazin vs Spinks

[Hulk]

Was he really? wait didn't Ortiz Shamrock 2 Happen last night? DAG!! I could have asked my sister to tape it cause she doesn't have Showtime but she could have gotten UFC for me!!! I'll catch it on the replay if I ever get cable

Yeah he was accurate and he was FAST. Blinding speed. There were, swear to God, exchanges where he would lunge in, get off two punches and get out of there while Karmazin would still be loading up his punch. And yes, Shamrock - Ortiz 2 happened last night but don't watch that PPV if you want to keep your sanity

Well I thought Shamrock would win until I watched the Ultimate fighter and saw him pushing Ortiz for no reason and that to me showed that Shamrock needed something to psyche himself up while at the same time pissing Ortiz off so I felt it was gonna be a squash match with Tito beating up Shamrock real bad. I also picked Arlovski to beat Silvia.

Spinks sounded amazing! anyone have the fight?

Oh he was Amazing all right.
Wacko how did you have it scored, or did you watch the fight?

Hulk where you at? locale?

Sonora,CA.

[SalTheButcher]

the most irritating part of the whole fight is that spinks supposedley spent days coreographing his entrance, which consisted of nothing but moving his arms back and forth

[BrooklyniteQueen]

No...I mean, even then it takes a while, I mean he had to get the exact timing down..what if he had went left when Joc went right It would have been so embarassing he may not have went through with the fight. Of course if it was Tarver he would have pushed Joc and said I WANNA BE ON THE LEFT SIDE, then Joc would have knocked him with the microphone and popped Tarver's head open and candy would pour out alone with 3 CSI reruns and a Terrell Owens teamwork playbook Not written by TO himself

[SalTheButcher]

[sweet science]

Good to see your still alive wacka mate

spinks ring entrance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyhF...earch=karmazin

have mercy

hahahaha that is the funniest ring entrance ive ever seen hahahaha

but i liked it

CC mate

thanks for the cc Saddo, my first. I know you're from mother england, so I should mention that Nasim Hamed would have felt proud of Spinks, perhaps outdone. Still, Spinks should keep his day job.

let me take this opportunity to add: great site; I really enjoy it; I am not a boxing expert, but I do love it; I have watched boxing since childhood, the good old days, when all the big matches were on regular tv.

[TyBuff]

cc SRKO for taking up the DRbR, you wasnt as drunk as wacko but you did a great job.

[Wacko3205]

Oh he was Amazing all right.
Wacko how did you have it scored, or did you watch the fight?

Haven't seen it yet my man...going to go home tonight after work & watch it on ShowTime In Demand.

Heard about his gay ass entrance though...WTF?!?!?!

Worry more about your stamina is all I'm saying from what I've heard.

[amat]

CC returned Tybuff.

Oh he was Amazing all right.
Wacko how did you have it scored, or did you watch the fight?

Haven't seen it yet my man...going to go home tonight after work & watch it on ShowTime In Demand.

Heard about his gay ass entrance though...WTF?!?!?!

Worry more about your stamina is all I'm saying from what I've heard.

That and other things. I mean someone with better timing and better handspeed would have got him as he was lunging inside but Karmazin wasn't equipped enough imo.

As for the entrance, sweet science posted the link earlier, props to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyhF...earch=karmazin

[Saddo]

Good to see your still alive wacka mate

spinks ring entrance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poyhF...earch=karmazin

have mercy

hahahaha that is the funniest ring entrance ive ever seen hahahaha

but i liked it

CC mate

thanks for the cc Saddo, my first. I know you're from mother england, so I should mention that Nasim Hamed would have felt proud of Spinks, perhaps outdone. Still, Spinks should keep his day job.

let me take this opportunity to add: great site; I really enjoy it; I am not a boxing expert, but I do love it; I have watched boxing since childhood, the good old days, when all the big matches were on regular tv.

i am and im all for the fancy ring entrances....

Spinks would have come in with less nerves, confident and loose because of it and entertaining the crowd at the same time

more fireworks next time and a few topless dancers

[SalTheButcher]

ive allways been against pyrotechnics cuz they tend to fill the arena with smoke...

topless dancers... thats fine, but fireworks are unecesary

[Saddo]

ive allways been against pyrotechnics cuz they tend to fill the arena with smoke...

topless dancers... thats fine, but fireworks are unecesary

not to mention scare the shit out of Gatti

[Hulk]

Oh he was Amazing all right.
Wacko how did you have it scored, or did you watch the fight?

Haven't seen it yet my man...going to go home tonight after work & watch it on ShowTime In Demand.

Heard about his gay ass entrance though...WTF?!?!?!

Worry more about your stamina is all I'm saying from what I've heard.

Well I hope when you watch it you are a bit more level headed than some of these people. To say that Spinks did enough, in the second half of the fight in particular to win a world title is just abusrd. I had at least 115-113 Karmazin, in the beginning after 6 rounds I did have Spinks up legit 4 rounds to 2, but then he won either the 7th or 8th and that was bout it IMO. Throughout the 9-12th and specially the championship rounds, 11 and 12, it was just a disgrace the way he fought. Folks get on ODLH for runnin from Tito? Hahaha. Spinks makes a career outta runnin, specially late in fights. Just listen to what his corner was tellin him, and you'll see what a winner he is. I'm not sayin it was a good performance by Karmazin, but he definately did enough to retain his title. I mean these same folks who condemn Winky for runnin in the 12th against Taylor, when he wasn't, praise and celebrate Spinks for it, or try to sweep it under the carpet.

[amat]

To say that Spinks did enough, in the second half of the fight in particular to win a world title is just abusrd.

He didn't get the job done in the second half of the fight. I haven't seen anyone disputing that. But I could easily counter that with "To say Karmazin did enough in the first half of the fight to win is absurd." Every round counts Hulk

I had at least 115-113 Karmazin, in the beginning after 6 rounds I did have Spinks up legit 4 rounds to 2, but then he won either the 7th or 8th and that was bout it IMO.

That score is understandable, even though I had Spinks winning the 6th, and 7th and that was 7 rounds right there. I also think he won the 8th. He was more effective. Karmazin did get off an occasional good sequence but for the majority of the first 8 rounds, Spinks would jab, circle, lunge in and out, land at a high percentage. Then Karmazin would get one good 3 punch sequence off, rinse and repeat. It depends on what you think counts for more. I personally think that ring generalship and effectiveness won Spinks 7 of the first 8 rounds.

Throughout the 9-12th and specially the championship rounds, 11 and 12, it was just a disgrace the way he fought. Folks get on ODLH for runnin from Tito? Hahaha. Spinks makes a career outta runnin, specially late in fights. Just listen to what his corner was tellin him, and you'll see what a winner he is.

I've never once said Spinks won those rounds. But the fact is the first half, or even the first 2/3 of the fight, he got the job done and Karmazin needed a KO to win once it got to the twelfth. Did I like it? No way. Was I impressed? Absolutely not. Am I commending Spinks for running? No. But he did what he had to do to win. Did you see Spinks' legs? He would have made Wladimir Klitschko look like Joe Louis, he was tired as all hell and like it or not, he had to run to win.

I'm not sayin it was a good performance by Karmazin, but he definately did enough to retain his title.

Since when do you have to do MORE in the later rounds to take a title? The title doesn't change the rules of the fight. You win 7 rounds and you don't get knocked down, I don't care if you lose the "championship" rounds, you win the fight. He won 7 rounds on the judge's cards, what more do you want from him? It doesn't make a difference if you win 7 rounds on a club fight in the middle of Missouri or if you do it in Madison Square Garden, you win 7 rounds with no knockdowns or no rounds where you take a beating, you win the fight. The IBF title does not change that.

I mean these same folks who condemn Winky for runnin in the 12th against Taylor, when he wasn't, praise and celebrate Spinks for it, or try to sweep it under the carpet.

Winky still had stuff left in the tank, but I still think he won the fight. I don't celebrate Spinks' performance in the last rounds at all. I just think he won the fight. I missed where that made me a Spinks fan.

[Hulk]

To say that Spinks did enough, in the second half of the fight in particular to win a world title is just abusrd.

He didn't get the job done in the second half of the fight. I haven't seen anyone disputing that. But I could easily counter that with "To say Karmazin did enough in the first half of the fight to win is absurd." Every round counts Hulk

I had at least 115-113 Karmazin, in the beginning after 6 rounds I did have Spinks up legit 4 rounds to 2, but then he won either the 7th or 8th and that was bout it IMO.

That score is understandable, even though I had Spinks winning the 6th, and 7th and that was 7 rounds right there. I also think he won the 8th. He was more effective. Karmazin did get off an occasional good sequence but for the majority of the first 8 rounds, Spinks would jab, circle, lunge in and out, land at a high percentage. Then Karmazin would get one good 3 punch sequence off, rinse and repeat. It depends on what you think counts for more. I personally think that ring generalship and effectiveness won Spinks 7 of the first 8 rounds.

Throughout the 9-12th and specially the championship rounds, 11 and 12, it was just a disgrace the way he fought. Folks get on ODLH for runnin from Tito? Hahaha. Spinks makes a career outta runnin, specially late in fights. Just listen to what his corner was tellin him, and you'll see what a winner he is.

I've never once said Spinks won those rounds. But the fact is the first half, or even the first 2/3 of the fight, he got the job done and Karmazin needed a KO to win once it got to the twelfth. Did I like it? No way. Was I impressed? Absolutely not. Am I commending Spinks for running? No. But he did what he had to do to win. Did you see Spinks' legs? He would have made Wladimir Klitschko look like Joe Louis, he was tired as all hell and like it or not, he had to run to win.

I'm not sayin it was a good performance by Karmazin, but he definately did enough to retain his title.

Since when do you have to do MORE in the later rounds to take a title? The title doesn't change the rules of the fight. You win 7 rounds and you don't get knocked down, I don't care if you lose the "championship" rounds, you win the fight. He won 7 rounds on the judge's cards, what more do you want from him? It doesn't make a difference if you win 7 rounds on a club fight in the middle of Missouri or if you do it in Madison Square Garden, you win 7 rounds with no knockdowns or no rounds where you take a beating, you win the fight. The IBF title does not change that.

I mean these same folks who condemn Winky for runnin in the 12th against Taylor, when he wasn't, praise and celebrate Spinks for it, or try to sweep it under the carpet.

Winky still had stuff left in the tank, but I still think he won the fight. I don't celebrate Spinks' performance in the last rounds at all. I just think he won the fight. I missed where that made me a Spinks fan.

CC. While I still think you are outta your mind for tryin to say Spinks won that fight, I respect that you went to such lengths to respond to my outrage. And you have been pretty civil about it. Main problem in your scoring the way I see it is that you gave the 6th to Spinks, there is just no way he won that round. I don't care how you look at it, Spinks simply did NOT win 7 rounds. For him to take 7 rounds, you gotta be lookin to give him rounds. Also its not out of the question to make that last round 10-8, when you got a guy runnin that bad. I didn't score it 10-8 and didn't need to, but it was bad. I sincerely hope that one day people will realize there is a differnce between what Spinks calls boxing and what boxing really is. Its a crime that he has wins over Mayorga, Judah, and Karmazn now.

[amat]

CC Hulk. I know how it feels to have one of your least favorite fighters win, only Calzaghe seems to never lose I guess it comes down to the 6th and 7th rounds. I gave both to Spinks but that's just because I felt Spinks' constant jabbing and circling was more effective then Karmazin's occasional highspots.