who wins a peak mike tyson or lennox lewis

[donnydarkoIRL]

For me Lennox would have emulated the performance we saw against any version of Tyson. Sure the younger tyson improvised more movement, more defence and more emphasis on setting up his power punches, but he's still a much shorter fighter that would walk into Lewis' jab and right uppercut. Lennox was an incredibly strong man, he was very precise and against the younger Tyson i feel all he would of had to do would be to draw mike into the deeper rounds. Mike expended, in fact wasted a lot of energy when he threw so many punches early, missed a good percentage and his sheer aggression also burned fuel at the source. He would have tired himself out, get cut again and would not have survived the twelve, thats my opinion.

[Master]

Tyson naturally slowed his onslaught after a number of rounds but he caused a lot of damage during those early rounds and I disagree with you when you state he wasted his punches. The opponents were too bloodied and battered to capitalise and his work rate did not drop off drastically in any event. He did tend to get into clinches more and throw less combinations but he could do 12 and even 15 rounds if anyone was able to take him there. Very few were able to do that. It was not who he fought that made him a potential great it was the way he fought and the manner of his victories that demonstare that he was greater than Lennox Lewis.

[ICB]

Tyson naturally slowed his onslaught after a number of rounds but he caused a lot of damage during those early rounds and I disagree with you when you state he wasted his punches. The opponents were too bloodied and battered to capitalise and his work rate did not drop off drastically in any event. He did tend to get into clinches more and throw less combinations but he could do 12 and even 15 rounds if anyone was able to take him there. Very few were able to do that. It was not who he fought that made him a potential great it was the way he fought and the manner of his victories that demonstare that he was greater than Lennox Lewis.

How do you know he could do it for 15 rounds ?? well if thats the case then Tyson would of been in alot of trouble in fight with Bonecrusher would of been 15 rounds because he was in quite alot of trouble at the end of the 12th round 15 rounds and 12 rounds are totally different you can't say for sure that Tyson would be able to do 15 rounds.


The opponents were too bloodied and battered to capitalise and his work rate did not drop off drastically in any event

No they didn't capitalise because they didn't fight simple as most of Tyson's opponents went into defensive shell except for a few like Tillis who gave Tyson very tough arguement and Tucker but he stopped fighting after 4 rounds and went into defensive shell aswell.


it was the way he fought and the manner of his victories that demonstare that he was greater than Lennox Lewis.


And what victories were these you mean Berbick ?? who was koed in 1 round before Tyson done it ?? or Spinks who shouldn't of even had the title getting 2 gift decisions off a faded old Holmes.

Or maybe Holmes who was 2 years ring rusty and had short time to prepare for the fight only a couple of weeks ?? what about Thomas who had just got rehab or Tubbs who had 2 weeks to prepare and looked like a blown up ballon ??

[Punisher136]

Lennox has a great legacy and is there for the greater boxer but a prime tyson is a tall order for anyone.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Well Master, there are two points contained within ur post that i wholeheartedly agree with.
1)The opponents were too bloodied and battered to capitalise
2)It was not who he fought that made him a potential great it was the way he fought and the manner of his victories .

I think those were spot on analogys there.
However, i have to disagree. Now i don't want to be mistaken as a Lewis fan. I hated him at the time in which he was active, i was a huge tyson fan. (Now in his retirement i respect the hell outta Lewis and look up his fights a lot.)

But i do feel in hindsight he was better than Mike. Mike was a great fighter, a force inside the ring, but for ever action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Lennox was the antithisis of everything Mike was.
Mike was aggresive, Lennox passive and calculating.
Mike loved to fight, Lennox loved to box.
Tyson wanted things over quickly, Lennox was patient.
Mike often abandoned strategy, Lewis' strategy was religion and was never abandoned merely altered.
Lewis could endure what Tyson had to give, he coyuld employ tactics which would be designed to fatigue tyson. This would frustrate Mike, he would have to continue on his quest to KO lewis, as he would be unable to box lewis effectively. It is my firm belief that tyson would simply tire and be [picked apart by a surgically efficient Lewis.

[Wacko3205]

IM A MASSIVE TYSON FAN AND BELIEVE A PEAK TYSON OF 1988 WOULD HAVE KNOCKED A PEAK LENNOX LEWIS OUT WITH IN 3 ROUNDS. WHEN THE PAIR ACTUALLY MET IN 2002 LENNOX WERE'NT FAR PAST HIS PEAK BUT TYSON WAS PAST IT BUT STILL MANAGED 8 ROUNDS WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK

Sorry fellars...I missed this thread by a long shot...but honestly, I'll stick with Lewis for the win.

A prime Lewis had two things that fetted Tyson into a corner & on the back foot.

#1: That jab that Lewis put into everyone's mutts.
#2: Confidence, focus, & ability.

You stand up to Mike & he's done.

I'd pick Lewis's abilities over Mike's any day. Yes Mike was fast & furious but that don't equate to shit when you've got a big skilled boxer in front of you that can think when properly focused.

As long as we are talking about a proper Lewis...I say Lennox wins.

[donnydarkoIRL]

Agreed Wacko.

[Master]

I respect hitmandonny's and Wacko's opinions but the arguments by ICB do not stand merit.

If a fighter survived as Tillis and Tucker did against Tyson does not mean that Lennox would win, in fact I believe the same result would have happened Lewis would have lost on points. He had to protect his chin.

Bonecrusher landed a blow in the last seconds of the fight, and did no major damage. You could count on one hand the time Tyson was caught cleanly during his prime, he was very elusive and came at angles, his skills were brilliant.

You point weaknesses in his opponents but all he can do was beat what was in front of him and he did that with dramatic affect, he was not going to go easy on his opponents just because they had issues and nor would you expect him too.

[BIG H]

Yep - The only fault people can pick with Tyson's prime was that so-and-so won 3 or 4 rounds or so-and-so caught with a good shot - woopydoo - it's heavyweight boxing, he couldn't win every minute of every round.

[Master]

CC you although you do not need it, you got loads.

[BIG H]

CC you although you do not need it, you got loads.

CC back Fella

[donnydarkoIRL]

I find myself CC'ing u again Master as u raise a point that a lot of people miss. People often speak of prime Tyson's speed, raw power, aggresion and combinations. But few recognise his incredibly well honed defence he improvised at the time. Its a pity that when he needed it most (after the releases from prison,) he seemed to abandon it.

[El Kabong]

.....the same people that say Marciano was too small to beat Tyson are the same people that say Tyson could beat a Prime Lennox Lewis....and they totally forget Lennox was 6'5 250 and Tyson was 5'10 220 ......6 inches, a whole bunch of reach and 30 pounds says Lennox would flatten Tyson no matter when their fight happened.

[BIG H]

.....the same people that say Marciano was too small to beat Tyson are the same people that say Tyson could beat a Prime Lennox Lewis....and they totally forget Lennox was 6'5 250 and Tyson was 5'10 220 ......6 inches, a whole bunch of reach and 30 pounds says Lennox would flatten Tyson no matter when their fight happened.

And Butterbean would beat Muhammad Ali

[ICB]

I respect hitmandonny's and Wacko's opinions but the arguments by ICB do not stand merit.

If a fighter survived as Tillis and Tucker did against Tyson does not mean that Lennox would win, in fact I believe the same result would have happened Lewis would have lost on points. He had to protect his chin.

Bonecrusher landed a blow in the last seconds of the fight, and did no major damage. You could count on one hand the time Tyson was caught cleanly during his prime, he was very elusive and came at angles, his skills were brilliant.

You point weaknesses in his opponents but all he can do was beat what was in front of him and he did that with dramatic affect, he was not going to go easy on his opponents just because they had issues and nor would you expect him too.

but the arguments by ICB do not stand merit.

Neither does yours.

If a fighter survived as Tillis and Tucker did against Tyson does not mean that Lennox would win, in fact I believe the same result would have happened Lewis would have lost on points. He had to protect his chin.

Tillis won rounds and gave Tyson trouble infact Tillis was a bit unlucky because he was winning the 4th round big but then Tyson scored flash knockdown at the end of the round and that effected the scoring considering 2 judges had it 6 rounds to 4 for Tyson i believe even Tyson said the knockdown saved him so Tillis wern't just surviving he was winning rounds and fought a good fight plus Tillis was only a journeyman with an even weaker chin than Lewis's so if Tillis could go the distance with Tyson with his suspect chin and win rounds and fight a good fight why can't Lewis do an even better job ??

And all Wacko did was agree with me so i don't understand what your saying so you respect Wacko's comments for saying Lewis's would win but not mine i don't get that at all.