Question for the biblical religious

[pacfan]

As promised, here is the most famous coincidence in the history (though as I've explained, I don't believe anything happens merely by chance) - the Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy connection. As any strange things in this world, there are doubters who tried everything to discredit or demystify this coincidence - I guess it's just nature of humans where every single facts or beliefs has being disputed, from religious assertion of creation to the theory of evolution. But unfortunately for them, they failed on this one because even though they may be able to dispute 1 or 2 of the facts involved, there are just too many of undisputable coincidental facts left that makes this case of historical coincindence the most strange one indeed.

I must also add another lesser know conincidence related to this one. Did you know that ever since the Lincoln presidency, every President, yes every single one of them, who took office at exactly 20-year interval died while in office? As I've said, I believe this world operates in waves and as waves, things happen in certain cycles. I believe this 20-year cycle to be just form of ripples created by the giant Lincoln wave which climaxed with another giant Kennedy wave (the 100th year president after Lincoln). This cycle was broken only during the term of President Reagan in a dramatic sort of way as he was almost assasinated. Perhaps there was something or some event we failed to recognize that stopped the 20-year cycle, as ripples either wane naturally or are stopped by some intervening forces.

Without much a do, here it is:

Lincoln-JFK Coincidences

[El Kabong]

That was the curse of Tippicanoe or however the fuck you spell that

[Andre]

As promised, here is the most famous coincidence in the history (though as I've explained, I don't believe anything happens merely by chance) - the Presidents Lincoln and Kennedy connection. As any strange things in this world, there are doubters who tried everything to discredit or demystify this coincidence - I guess it's just nature of humans where every single facts or beliefs has being disputed, from religious assertion of creation to the theory of evolution. But unfortunately for them, they failed on this one because even though they may be able to dispute 1 or 2 of the facts involved, there are just too many of undisputable coincidental facts left that makes this case of historical coincindence the most strange one indeed.

I must also add another lesser know conincidence related to this one. Did you know that ever since the Lincoln presidency, every President, yes every single one of them, who took office at exactly 20-year interval died while in office? As I've said, I believe this world operates in waves and as waves, things happen in certain cycles. I believe this 20-year cycle to be just form of ripples created by the giant Lincoln wave which climaxed with another giant Kennedy wave (the 100th year president after Lincoln). This cycle was broken only during the term of President Reagan in a dramatic sort of way as he was almost assasinated. Perhaps there was something or some event we failed to recognize that stopped the 20-year cycle, as ripples either wane naturally or are stopped by some intervening forces.

Without much a do, here it is:

Lincoln-JFK Coincidences

Sort of gives you the feeling that they are one and the same people having another crack at it in two different time zones doesnt it!

[pacfan]

That was the curse of Tippicanoe or however the fuck you spell that

Didn't know that thing had a name to it. Reminds me of the Superman's curse where all the superman guys ending up in tragedy.

Andre, remember I mentioned about curse at some other thread? I wasn't joking there. Everything in this world happens for a reason, there's no accidents or coincidents, IMO. Many bad things that happen to people are because of some ol' curse. I also said something about love affairs, right. I wasn't kiddin' there either cuz the affairs of the heart create the one of the strongest emotional energy that lingers for generations. So I think the case of Lady Di probably has something to with the ol' curse there at the palace. I bet if someone digs up all the history of the palace, they'll probably find many coincidental facts connecting to Lady Di herself. Nothing sure there though, just an educated hunch.

Sort of gives you the feeling that they are one and the same people having another crack at it in two different time zones doesnt it!

Reincarnation? Heck no. I hate the idea of possibility of me becoming another Hitler or one of his victims. I'd rather be floating around in another dimension blissfully with no more human emotional bagages. I remember someone being asked what his idea of paradise or heaven, he answered, 'eternal orgasm!' Not bad, heh?

[El Kabong]

Check it out for yourself Curse of Tippecanoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[pacfan]

Check it out for yourself Curse of Tippecanoe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thanks Lyle, that was a real useful info for me cuz it sort of reinforced my theory of waves of event. I was wrong, the 20-year curse started right before Lincoln. What amazed me was that two succeeding 20th year presidents immediately following Lincoln were also assasinated. That sort of reinforces my theory of ripples which is same as the aftershocks in earthquakes. And the two 20th year presidents following Kennedy surviving assasination attempts shows that there were similar ripples or aftershocks of event or curse after Kennedy. But it seems to be showing some signs of waning and will probably die out unless something dramatic happens again - hope not, though. Amazing stuffs.

Additional infos from the same source:

THE 20 YEAR DEATH CYCLE OF AMERICAN PRESIDENTS

snopes.com: Presidential 20-Year Death Curse

[Fenster]

....even Darwin believed that God created the Earth


So just an FYI to all you pompus assholes berating anyone who believes something different than you. By the way, I'm cool with people not believing in God or that God created all we know and hold true...I'm not saying they will go to hell or anything I just try to live MY life and be nice and affect people in a positive way in everyday life.

Sir Isaac Newton said, "Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done."

Concentric circles.

I stand corrected.

Mr. Pacfan, that was a fine story.

But.. please explain to Fenster the link between the rusty scissors and robbery?

Sorry about that fenster, maybe I wasn't clear enough. It's not the connection between the scissors and the robbery per se, but more of the connection between a failed business venture where I lost money and the robbery where of course I also lost money. But I have to say that the connection is a subtle one, though it is still a solid one. Let me enumerate each of them one by one:

1) It was the first time I used that grease I got from the boat. If I had used that routinely, then it would've meant nothing much.

2) It was the first time I greased the scissors, which lay hanging on one of the racks in our kitchen for couple of years, even though I didn't need to, as they were only spare ones.

3) There is a connection between the grease, which came from the boat on which I lost some money, and the scissors, which was in the kitchen from where the thieves broke in. So symbolically, the grease served as sort of a relay torch or baton from one money-losing event to another. [Did you see the connection.]

4) The greasing of the scissors came within 24hrs of the robbery.

5) The amount of the money stolen was almost exactly the same amount I paid for the boat.

Lastly, both are very significant events in life as normally, we ordinary folks hardly loss money on either business or robbery. The fact is that these extremely rare events in one’s life were somehow connected (ok, to repeat again, by that damn grease!).

Hope that was clear enough.

Why, thank you Mr. pacfan. It is now clear.. as mud

So.. the cycle that concerned the grease, scissors and your good-self - that led to the robbery - must have run in conjunction with the bad guys cycle that led them to rob your home?

Correct, I am, no?

[pacfan]

Why, thank you Mr. pacfan. It is now clear.. as mud

So.. the cycle that concerned the grease, scissors and your good-self - that led to the robbery - must have run in conjunction with the bad guys cycle that led them to rob your home?

Correct, I am, no?

I didn't think of it that way but you are absolutely right. The bad guys must have had their own cycle of robberies or something that led them to our place. Geez, fenster, you claim to know nothing but you are thinking. Now don't try to fool us with that 'know nothing' act of yours.

'Clear as mud', that was nice - I like that.

[pacfan]

Astrology was mentioned several times on those links so let me give you my view on it. Ya, the stars, moons, planets, etc. moving about in some definite pattern in well-coordinated manner must have influence on everything around them. Or more accurately, since they are being moved by the same universal force that moves us also, their respective movements or positions may be used to forecast our position in life, figuratively, I mean. Since they are actually being moved by the same force or forces that affect or move everything else in this world, they must, naturally, have some relation (but not necessarily effects as Astrologers believe) to every other things. But the problem with Astrology is that they use primarily the macro data to make forecast at the micro level, which is vastly complicated and has vastly more factors that influence them. I think the planetary motions and positions has a more general effects than specific ones. At the human level, Astrologers should look for more immediate or micro factors to more accurately forecast where individual lives will likely to go. But then, going into the terrestial level may not be within their scope or territory. And knowing the exact time and place of birth is not enough either - there are countless other micro factors that affects human lives. That's the reason that those daily Astrological forecasts hardly go right. Simply put, they are just too simplistic. In Economics, they never use macro data to determine our individual (micro) economic conditions.

[Andre]

Astrology was mentioned several times on those links so let me give you my view on it. Ya, the stars, moons, planets, etc. moving about in some definite pattern in well-coordinated manner must have influence on everything around them. Or more accurately, since they are being moved by the same universal force that moves us also, their respective movements or positions may be used to forecast our position in life, figuratively, I mean. Since they are actually being moved by the same force or forces that affect or move everything else in this world, they must, naturally, have some relation (but not necessarily effects as Astrologers believe) to every other things. But the problem with Astrology is that they use primarily the macro data to make forecast at the micro level, which is vastly complicated and has vastly more factors that influence them. I think the planetary motions and positions has a more general effects than specific ones. At the human level, Astrologers should look for more immediate or micro factors to more accurately forecast where individual lives will likely to go. But then, going into the terrestial level may not be within their scope or territory. And knowing the exact time and place of birth is not enough either - there are countless other micro factors that affects human lives. That's the reason that those daily Astrological forecasts hardly go right. Simply put, they are just too simplistic. In Economics, they never use macro data to determine our individual (micro) economic conditions.

The moon effects water dramatically and we as humans are made of 90 something % water. The Police know all about full moons and its mass effects some man up for it if it falls on a weekend.
Imagine the effects on some when a massive planet comes closer,it all adds up, even physically.

[pacfan]

Astrology was mentioned several times on those links so let me give you my view on it. Ya, the stars, moons, planets, etc. moving about in some definite pattern in well-coordinated manner must have influence on everything around them. Or more accurately, since they are being moved by the same universal force that moves us also, their respective movements or positions may be used to forecast our position in life, figuratively, I mean. Since they are actually being moved by the same force or forces that affect or move everything else in this world, they must, naturally, have some relation (but not necessarily effects as Astrologers believe) to every other things. But the problem with Astrology is that they use primarily the macro data to make forecast at the micro level, which is vastly complicated and has vastly more factors that influence them. I think the planetary motions and positions has a more general effects than specific ones. At the human level, Astrologers should look for more immediate or micro factors to more accurately forecast where individual lives will likely to go. But then, going into the terrestial level may not be within their scope or territory. And knowing the exact time and place of birth is not enough either - there are countless other micro factors that affects human lives. That's the reason that those daily Astrological forecasts hardly go right. Simply put, they are just too simplistic. In Economics, they never use macro data to determine our individual (micro) economic conditions.

The moon effects water dramatically and we as humans are made of 90 something % water. The Police know all about full moons and its mass effects some man up for it if it falls on a weekend.
Imagine the effects on some when a massive planet comes closer,it all adds up, even physically.

Ya, you are absolutely right there, but I think planets affects us more in a general sort of way then in a specific manner 'coz if it were specific we'll probably more or less be doing the same sort of things. By general I mean something that affects all or most of us together in some way or ways. Like for example, world wars, Hiroshima, 911. And the tippecanoe thing, since it occurs at long intervals and basically involves the US, perhaps had lesser influence from the planets. The specific ones I mentioned are like, someone's birth, marriages and all other events that only affect specific persons - these I think have only little planetary influence as, again, if planets significantly affected every small details of human lives, we'd all be acting more or less in the same way. This world is influenced by many factors, of course including the planetary gravities, but more so at the individual level where there are countless factors that influence us. The two of the most important factors at the specific level I believe are the territorial factors and the personal factors, which are confluence of factors within an area and personal relationships. Actually, I've got it all figured out in one neat theory but since it wouldn't pass scientific scrutiny (though I don't believe in scientific system entirely), I'll just call it a hypothesis. But it will take couple of books to discuss them fully so I can't go into it all here.

[Andre]

Astrology was mentioned several times on those links so let me give you my view on it. Ya, the stars, moons, planets, etc. moving about in some definite pattern in well-coordinated manner must have influence on everything around them. Or more accurately, since they are being moved by the same universal force that moves us also, their respective movements or positions may be used to forecast our position in life, figuratively, I mean. Since they are actually being moved by the same force or forces that affect or move everything else in this world, they must, naturally, have some relation (but not necessarily effects as Astrologers believe) to every other things. But the problem with Astrology is that they use primarily the macro data to make forecast at the micro level, which is vastly complicated and has vastly more factors that influence them. I think the planetary motions and positions has a more general effects than specific ones. At the human level, Astrologers should look for more immediate or micro factors to more accurately forecast where individual lives will likely to go. But then, going into the terrestial level may not be within their scope or territory. And knowing the exact time and place of birth is not enough either - there are countless other micro factors that affects human lives. That's the reason that those daily Astrological forecasts hardly go right. Simply put, they are just too simplistic. In Economics, they never use macro data to determine our individual (micro) economic conditions.

The moon effects water dramatically and we as humans are made of 90 something % water. The Police know all about full moons and its mass effects some man up for it if it falls on a weekend.
Imagine the effects on some when a massive planet comes closer,it all adds up, even physically.

Ya, you are absolutely right there, but I think planets affects us more in a general sort of way then in a specific manner 'coz if it were specific we'll probably more or less be doing the same sort of things. By general I mean something that affects all or most of us together in some way or ways. Like for example, world wars, Hiroshima, 911. And the tippecanoe thing, since it occurs at long intervals and basically involves the US, perhaps had lesser influence from the planets. The specific ones I mentioned are like, someone's birth, marriages and all other events that only affect specific persons - these I think have only little planetary influence as, again, if planets significantly affected every small details of human lives, we'd all be acting more or less in the same way. This world is influenced by many factors, of course including the planetary gravities, but more so at the individual level where there are countless factors that influence us. The two of the most important factors at the specific level I believe are the territorial factors and the personal factors, which are confluence of factors within an area and personal relationships. Actually, I've got it all figured out in one neat theory but since it wouldn't pass scientific scrutiny (though I don't believe in scientific system entirely), I'll just call it a hypothesis. But it will take couple of books to discuss them fully so I can't go into it all here.

Yeah I can see that.
Some people are born underneath a strong planetary line up though and they wil be more influenced to change than others when those same planets are directly above or moving through each others paths.
That type of astrology is faultless if you look into it or get your own birthchart done.
The day by day one you read in the papers is a crock of sh!t cause you cant be that general about something so changable.
Maybe some people who remove themselves physically from lifes playing field probably arent as effected (like a cave dweller hermit type)
Libraryian ,those types: IF that is true then the ones right into lifes deep end of the many ponds would be more effected like stock brokers,fishermen,people who are over emotional already etc.
just a thought.

[pacfan]

Yeah I can see that.
Some people are born underneath a strong planetary line up though and they wil be more influenced to change than others when those same planets are directly above or moving through each others paths.
That type of astrology is faultless if you look into it or get your own birthchart done.
The day by day one you read in the papers is a crock of sh!t cause you cant be that general about something so changable.
Maybe some people who remove themselves physically from lifes playing field probably arent as effected (like a cave dweller hermit type)
Libraryian ,those types: IF that is true then the ones right into lifes deep end of the many ponds would be more effected like stock brokers,fishermen,people who are over emotional already etc.
just a thought.

Did you mean the luna(r)tics?
I think at the local level, people are more influenced by their communitiy wave and their kinship (relatives') wave. This is because we are connected to the direct energy of our place and our minds are connected to the minds of our immediate community as well as the minds of our relatives, and in both cases, the closer the place or the relation, the stronger the connection. You will know this when something similar happens to someone in your neiborhood also happens to some relative, whereever he might be. Sometimes, something that happens at the international level might even affect you if you have something common with it or him, for example when someone famous named Andre wins in a lottery, you might also win in a smaller way like in a poker game. Famous people like celebrities carry and project huge energies because of their position; that's why when oridinary people comes near a celebrity, they feel strong energy because of the strong aura they carry and transmit. This is because we are energy beings all connected to everything else in this world but the strongest connection comes with those energies you have some close relations with. This is because of the phenomenon call the harmonics, which is a sympathetic vibrations in the wave. It can be easily demonstrated on a guitar. If you pluck any string on a guitar, all the other strings tuned in the same way or pitch of that string, or in its multiples/divisibles of 2 (that is 2x, 4x, 8x, or 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 etc.) will also vibrate together even when you did not even touch them. This is a natural characteristic of any wave. To put it simply if you pluck a do (as in do re mi) string, all other strings tuned also to do's will also vibrate together. (And it can be any do's, for example, do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti-do, the two do's are considered same tone even if the first is lower than the last one - if you check their frequencies, the second do is exactly the double of the first one in numbers of vibrations, that is if the first was 100hz (vibrations per second) the last will be 200hz - you call them as octaves. It can also be 400, 800... or 50 [1/2], 25 [1/4], hz. - they are still octaves as long as they are in multiple of 2's.)

That's how waves operates, no matter what kind they are - similar waves (frequecies measured in hertz or hz.) reinforces one another. This is what I believe is responsible for all coincidences in the world. Actually there is no real coincidence in this world because everything happens because of certain reasons. Even when your parents picked your name, some waves affected them to choose that name... Yes, I must be a luna(r)tic.

[pacfan]

Ok, folks, I'll be taking a little break from this thread but before I do, let me show, at least, the possibility of the existence of God through simple logic:

1) If there is God, he must be infinitely more powerful, smart and complicated than anything our tiny brains can imagine, right?

2) If God is infinitely more powerful and smart, then he can run this world exactly as it is running now without letting anyone be aware of His presence, right? Of course he can!

So there, folks, the existence of God is truly possible! Or, simply put, God can be there right above you and watching over you. Now isn't that something.
So the choice is yours, folks: do you want to find and be in the light...
or do you want to stay in darkness. Take your pick.

[pacfan]

Originally Posted by pacfan


While I'm at it, I'll put in few more cent's worth. Why, they say, do good people die young while the evil ones thrive in this world. It's because this world is a battleground between the good and the evil, and just like the usual battleground, they do not discriminate between good soldiers or bad when the roll call to heaven begins. On the contrary, evil has more success here because they do what they do best here on earth, while the good ones are not good at those things the evil ones do. But their triumph is only temporary. The good will have their rewards in heaven, and in the end, in this world too when eventually the good triumphs for good. Just look at the history of this world and you can see that trend in that direction.

One thing many people find it hard to understand about Christian doctrine is their glorification of martyrhood or martyrship (if there are such terms) which leads many Christians to martyrdom, either consciously or subconsciously. As all other misunderstood doctrines of Christianity, there is a good reason for it. God meant for some chosen people, who were naturally made up for it, the path of martyrdom so as to show the rest of us in a very dramatic fashion that some good guys had to sacrifice their lives, many times in a cruel manner, for the sake of goodness - against evil, which they stood up to in a non-violent way, for our sake. In non-violent way - to overcome evil with good. So we too must do our own little sacrifices to make this world a bit better. I believe there is a reason for every tragedy and that there will always be some good that will come out of it just as it did after the sacrifices of our Saints.


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Originally Posted by Andre

Pacfan my friend...

St Luke chapter 17 / 20 ; 21
The Kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21Neither shall they say, LO here! or lo there! for,behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Notice how when the Pharisees asked Jesus when the Kingdom would come how he didnt point upwards or even at the ground but said (in the present tense) that it IS within YOU.

There lies the key, keep meditating my friend search within not through any external go betweens.

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Yes you are right, I know deep inside you have a good understanding, maybe not yet clear, but nevertheless it's there because you are in the right path. I'm not sure if you meant by saints as 'go betweens' but this is just a first step. We human beings need first to be drawn into our religion - just as I am try to draw our dear friend CFH into it - and one of the best way is by examples, and they must be dramatic ones, just as Jesus died cruelly and dramatically on the cross, so as to convince us - and convince, he did superbly, we have 1 billion people to prove that. Eventually, I think all Christian, and all religions, will be lead to the right path at the right stage or time. But it will come in certain cycles, and in certain steps - a religious evolution. I believe we are still in this stage of gathering of flocks and the birthpain stage. Once the job is done, all will eventually lead to one right path, which of course is the connection to the universal path through our inner self to the external universal energy. This internal and external aspect is where I have to discuss very carefully as we go along on our long discussion because this is the place where there are many misunderstanding. To give you a little hint, there from our little inner self comes selfishness and all our fears, EGO and from where all the hatred and wars of this world comes from. Therefore, we must silence this selfish self and only then, can we connect ourselves to the universal energy - God - or mind, by directing our minds through the inner path onto the external (because if we direct our mind to our inner self, we will be led to our selfish self again - again this is the area where there is the misunderstanding - I'll clear this issue one day when I have enough time) universal energy. We'll keep on discussing it at your thread little by little...

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No,sorry for the distraction,obviously its pointless.
Be careful ,the truth is not to be found among the billions, much love and best of luck.

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Oh, if you see my name pop out once in awhile, it means I've been to bathroom and checking once in awhile on the way. Don't worry, I can explain myself clearly, because I see things differently, even in my religion, I see it in a different way than other Catholics do. I'll explain some other time. Back to bed for me.

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