Premier League 2009-2010 prediction thread!!

[Master]

John Terry is a waste of money too considering his age. He certainly negotiated a fat contract for himself, the greedy git.

[OumaFan]

Man U just don't look that scary too me Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

[El Kabong]

I hear lots of stuff about Babel or Lucas filling in for Alonso...and if that's the case then top 4 will be the BEST we do. Lucas is the WORST Brazilian soccer player ever!!!!

The line up we're going to need is as follows:

GK: Reina
LB: Insua/Aurelio CB: Carragher CB: Agger/Skrtel RB: Johnson
LM: Riera CM: Mascherano CM: Benayoun RM: Kuyt
ST: Gerrard ST: Torres

Dirk has never been my favorite player, but I think he hustles and he seems to do better when he has more ground to cover. Sure he can't cross the ball very well, but he can play a through ball pretty good. I think Voronin should be used more as well if we're going to play our outside players (Riera and Kuyt) farther forward than when we had Alonso. I think Benayoun is vital to our success as well as Kuyt and Voronin, those guys have to play at a higher level than ever before if we're going to do anything. Our defense is solid and Gerrard and Torres will be good for planty of goals, but we need guys to feed them AND to add goals when teams mark Steve and Torres closely.

[Master]

I hear lots of stuff about Babel or Lucas filling in for Alonso...and if that's the case then top 4 will be the BEST we do. Lucas is the WORST Brazilian soccer player ever!!!!

The line up we're going to need is as follows:

GK: Reina
LB: Insua/Aurelio CB: Carragher CB: Agger/Skrtel RB: Johnson
LM: Riera CM: Mascherano CM: Benayoun RM: Kuyt
ST: Gerrard ST: Torres

Dirk has never been my favorite player, but I think he hustles and he seems to do better when he has more ground to cover. Sure he can't cross the ball very well, but he can play a through ball pretty good. I think Voronin should be used more as well if we're going to play our outside players (Riera and Kuyt) farther forward than when we had Alonso. I think Benayoun is vital to our success as well as Kuyt and Voronin, those guys have to play at a higher level than ever before if we're going to do anything. Our defense is solid and Gerrard and Torres will be good for planty of goals, but we need guys to feed them AND to add goals when teams mark Steve and Torres closely.

Lucas was a liability last season, although towards the end he started playing well and he is doing well at the pre-season so fingers crossed he will have a good partnership with Mascherano. As long as Gerrard and Torres are fit we will be dangerous.

[Master]

Man U just don't look that scary too me Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

The players are hypocrites, I respect them moving for the money just say that was the reason and not because the club did not show me the love, or kiss the badge and then piss off next get to another club and start kissing their badge.

[skel1983]

Man U just don't look that scary too me Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

I agree Ouma Hangeland to Arsenal is a natural progression, aswell as his bank blance he is advancing his career and playing for a better club, you cant really be critical to someone in that posistion. But like Master said someone lke John Terry is a money grabbing cunt, to even contemplate going to such an inferior club in terms of where there at right now just for financial gain is insane for me considering he is already earning in excess of 120k a week.

Footballers leaving clubs to better there careers you cant really blame them but players like Tevez Adebeyor etc etc All about money and I think that is a shame for the sake of 40/50 k id rather be playing for a club who has better players and are playing better standard of football personally.

[skel1983]

I hear lots of stuff about Babel or Lucas filling in for Alonso...and if that's the case then top 4 will be the BEST we do. Lucas is the WORST Brazilian soccer player ever!!!!

The line up we're going to need is as follows:

GK: Reina
LB: Insua/Aurelio CB: Carragher CB: Agger/Skrtel RB: Johnson
LM: Riera CM: Mascherano CM: Benayoun RM: Kuyt
ST: Gerrard ST: Torres

Dirk has never been my favorite player, but I think he hustles and he seems to do better when he has more ground to cover. Sure he can't cross the ball very well, but he can play a through ball pretty good. I think Voronin should be used more as well if we're going to play our outside players (Riera and Kuyt) farther forward than when we had Alonso. I think Benayoun is vital to our success as well as Kuyt and Voronin, those guys have to play at a higher level than ever before if we're going to do anything. Our defense is solid and Gerrard and Torres will be good for planty of goals, but we need guys to feed them AND to add goals when teams mark Steve and Torres closely.

I can see big things from Benayoun this year one of the most underrated players in the Premiership great great player i rate him highly hope he doesnt shine to much me being a United fan .

[OumaFan]

Yeah I agree with a guy like Terry he's already pretty much set and its just is there ever enough money?

On the whole though I would want to make as much as possible as quickly as possible. Cause most of these guys, they stop school at like 16 or 17 don't they? Its not like Lee Bowyer's gonna have a successful second career in theoretical physics, he needs to make money now and try to make enough to at least fairly well set himself up for life. I apologize if Lee's really a smart guy.

[skel1983]

Yeah I agree with a guy like Terry he's already pretty much set and its just is there ever enough money?

On the whole though I would want to make as much as possible as quickly as possible. Cause most of these guys, they stop school at like 16 or 17 don't they? Its not like Lee Bowyer's gonna have a successful second career in theoretical physics, he needs to make money now and try to make enough to at least fairly well set himself up for life. I apologize if Lee's really a smart guy.

Haha!! I think its safe to say Lee Bowyer is thicker then two short planks!!

[Master]

Yeah I agree with a guy like Terry he's already pretty much set and its just is there ever enough money?

On the whole though I would want to make as much as possible as quickly as possible. Cause most of these guys, they stop school at like 16 or 17 don't they? Its not like Lee Bowyer's gonna have a successful second career in theoretical physics, he needs to make money now and try to make enough to at least fairly well set himself up for life. I apologize if Lee's really a smart guy.

Haha!! I think its safe to say Lee Bowyer is thicker then two short planks!!

Lee Bowyer is not the smartest person in the world but remember the hyprocracy of when he did npt go to Birmingham because of the perceived threat of getting beaten up by Asian youths but when west Ham do not want him. Guess where he goes as he has no other choice a few years later. Yes Birmingham - racist cunt.

[ono]

Man U just don't look that scary too me Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

I agree Ouma Hangeland to Arsenal is a natural progression, aswell as his bank blance he is advancing his career and playing for a better club, you cant really be critical to someone in that posistion. But like Master said someone lke John Terry is a money grabbing cunt, to even contemplate going to such an inferior club in terms of where there at right now just for financial gain is insane for me considering he is already earning in excess of 120k a week.

Footballers leaving clubs to better there careers you cant really blame them but players like Tevez Adebeyor etc etc All about money and I think that is a shame for the sake of 40/50 k id rather be playing for a club who has better players and are playing better standard of football personally.

Sorry mate but that is short sighted at best.

Number one City players in general are on nowhere near what they are allegedly on according to the players. I know this for a fact. I don't know exactly what they are on but i do know nobody takes home more than 92k per week after tax (Robinho i'm guessing). Gareth Barry is nowhere near the 130k p/w reported in The Sun, Bellamy is nowhere near the 90k p/w as also reported in the media. I know this because it was mentioned at a Supporters club open-forum by Garry Cook ( i was there and heard it myself).

Adebayor has been given a good rise to move and so has Tevez but to say they are moving purely for financial reasons is very narrow minded. Furthermore nearly all footballers get a pay rise when they join a new club. Berbatov, Valencia, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic...need i go on? If everything was all about success then surely these players wouldn't need to practically double (correct me if i'm wrong but i'd guess Valencia, Rooney and Vidic must have come very close) their wages to join such a club? Would they?

Sure we are doing it on a new level but that's what you have to do to be competitive. United have done it, Chelsea have done it and after us there will be another club that does it.

The playing with better players argument is also a little bit silly because at City both tevez and Adebayor will be playing with some very talented players. We certainly have the resources to add to that pool of players and i think we have made our ambitions perfectly clear. We have considerably strengthened whereas only Chelsea arguably haven't been weakened.

By your way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most successful clubs so that defeats the object of competition. If that happened we might aswell not bother with the Premier League and just have United - Liverpool live on Sky Box Office every week.

Where's the fun in that?

[skel1983]

Man U just don't look that scary too me Rooney has got to add some goals and I'm sure he will. Valencia needs to be good. Their back four's still good though.

A bit off topic but since I've started following the premier league I've decided that English sports fans are much more critical of players for being "greedy" than American fans are. I think we've just accepted it after a while, not like there isn't some outrage about it but not as much I don't think. If I was a player I would want to make as much money as I could while I was playing so I wouldn't have to worry about it after my career was over.

Kind of along those lines as a Fulham fan I would be annoyed if Hangeland left for Arsenal but I would understand why he would want too. Come to think of it was Hangeland the one highly thought of center back that Man City haven't tried to buy? I guess Hughes doesn't like him as much as some people.

I agree Ouma Hangeland to Arsenal is a natural progression, aswell as his bank blance he is advancing his career and playing for a better club, you cant really be critical to someone in that posistion. But like Master said someone lke John Terry is a money grabbing cunt, to even contemplate going to such an inferior club in terms of where there at right now just for financial gain is insane for me considering he is already earning in excess of 120k a week.

Footballers leaving clubs to better there careers you cant really blame them but players like Tevez Adebeyor etc etc All about money and I think that is a shame for the sake of 40/50 k id rather be playing for a club who has better players and are playing better standard of football personally.

Sorry mate but that is short sighted at best.

Number one City players in general are on nowhere near what they are allegedly on according to the players. I know this for a fact. I don't know exactly what they are on but i do know nobody takes home more than 92k per week after tax (Robinho i'm guessing). Gareth Barry is nowhere near the 130k p/w reported in The Sun, Bellamy is nowhere near the 90k p/w as also reported in the media. I know this because it was mentioned at a Supporters club open-forum by Garry Cook ( i was there and heard it myself).

Adebayor has been given a good rise to move and so has Tevez but to say they are moving purely for financial reasons is very narrow minded. Furthermore nearly all footballers get a pay rise when they join a new club. Berbatov, Valencia, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic...need i go on? If everything was all about success then surely these players wouldn't need to practically double (correct me if i'm wrong but i'd guess Valencia, Rooney and Vidic must have come very close) their wages to join such a club? Would they?

Sure we are doing it on a new level but that's what you have to do to be competitive. United have done it, Chelsea have done it and after us there will be another club that does it.

The playing with better players argument is also a little bit silly because at City both tevez and Adebayor will be playing with some very talented players. We certainly have the resources to add to that pool of players and i think we have made our ambitions perfectly clear. We have considerably strengthened whereas only Chelsea arguably haven't been weakened.

By your way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most successful clubs so that defeats the object of competition. If that happened we might aswell not bother with the Premier League and just have United - Liverpool live on Sky Box Office every week.

Where's the fun in that?

The way you go mate you would think you were Mark Hughes you know this that and everything that goes on but most the stuff you have said and all these facts you seem to know about are either printed in the sun or on sky sports news.

My way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most succesful clubs so that defeats the object of compitition?? No my way of thinking like I said before is why the fuck would you want to join a club who can rarely sell there home games out who wont be in europe and will more then likely not be in the chamipons league for at least a couple of years, when you can stay or join a club that will be challanging for all the top titles and be playing in the Champions League?? ONE ANSWER AND ONE ANSWER ONLY CASH!!! If you want to believe its because Man City is this wonderful attractive world renowned club thats your decision, but noone else is fooled.

I dont blame City they have the money and good luck to them to get what players they can but players like the players i highlighted are money grabbing cunts.

[Master]

Man Utd fan (Skel) and Man City fan (Ono) disagreeing, we will see a lot of that this season.

[ono]

I agree Ouma Hangeland to Arsenal is a natural progression, aswell as his bank blance he is advancing his career and playing for a better club, you cant really be critical to someone in that posistion. But like Master said someone lke John Terry is a money grabbing cunt, to even contemplate going to such an inferior club in terms of where there at right now just for financial gain is insane for me considering he is already earning in excess of 120k a week.

Footballers leaving clubs to better there careers you cant really blame them but players like Tevez Adebeyor etc etc All about money and I think that is a shame for the sake of 40/50 k id rather be playing for a club who has better players and are playing better standard of football personally.

Sorry mate but that is short sighted at best.

Number one City players in general are on nowhere near what they are allegedly on according to the players. I know this for a fact. I don't know exactly what they are on but i do know nobody takes home more than 92k per week after tax (Robinho i'm guessing). Gareth Barry is nowhere near the 130k p/w reported in The Sun, Bellamy is nowhere near the 90k p/w as also reported in the media. I know this because it was mentioned at a Supporters club open-forum by Garry Cook ( i was there and heard it myself).

Adebayor has been given a good rise to move and so has Tevez but to say they are moving purely for financial reasons is very narrow minded. Furthermore nearly all footballers get a pay rise when they join a new club. Berbatov, Valencia, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic...need i go on? If everything was all about success then surely these players wouldn't need to practically double (correct me if i'm wrong but i'd guess Valencia, Rooney and Vidic must have come very close) their wages to join such a club? Would they?

Sure we are doing it on a new level but that's what you have to do to be competitive. United have done it, Chelsea have done it and after us there will be another club that does it.

The playing with better players argument is also a little bit silly because at City both tevez and Adebayor will be playing with some very talented players. We certainly have the resources to add to that pool of players and i think we have made our ambitions perfectly clear. We have considerably strengthened whereas only Chelsea arguably haven't been weakened.

By your way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most successful clubs so that defeats the object of competition. If that happened we might aswell not bother with the Premier League and just have United - Liverpool live on Sky Box Office every week.

Where's the fun in that?

The way you go mate you would think you were Mark Hughes you know this that and everything that goes on but most the stuff you have said and all these facts you seem to know about are either printed in the sun or on sky sports news.

My way of thinking the best players would only ever go to the most succesful clubs so that defeats the object of compitition?? No my way of thinking like I said before is why the fuck would you want to join a club who can rarely sell there home games out who wont be in europe and will more then likely not be in the chamipons league for at least a couple of years, when you can stay or join a club that will be challanging for all the top titles and be playing in the Champions League?? ONE ANSWER AND ONE ANSWER ONLY CASH!!! If you want to believe its because Man City is this wonderful attractive world renowned club thats your decision, but noone else is fooled.

I dont blame City they have the money and good luck to them to get what players they can but players like the players i highlighted are money grabbing cunts.

Well actually go back through my posts and you will see some of the stuff i posted wasn't even in the media. Stuart Taylor signing is an example of that. I also said we'd got Tevez about 1 month before he signed, depsite various media reporting he was going to go to Chelsea. I also posted the exact time Adebayor would be unveiled despite the media saying the deal had hit the rocks. I also posted the date on which Kolo Toure would sign - which i was one day out. I also said Lescott would hand in a transfer request which he has done. I also said we'd make a big move for John Terry about 2 weeks before the media even had a wiff. I also said Bassong wouldn't be signing despite the media saying he would be signing within the next 48 hours.

Anyway back on point, Let's assume the players you mentioned are just money grabbing cunts. So if say Notts County or QPR offered them 200k p/w to play for them they would take it right? Probably not. Of course money is a factor just like it is for anybody else in any career field, but there also has to be sporting ambition that matches the money. I never once said we are this wonderfully attractive world renowned club, although we have a good history, but again it matters very little when we have the resources that we currently have. Past history counts for exactly fuck all when assessing your chances of future success. For example, Liverpool have a fantastic history yet see how dismissive Sir BaconFace and a good deal of Man Utd fans/news reporters are about Liverpool's ability to challenege for the title.

We have the chance to be successful in the future just like Chelsea had when Roman came in, and i'm pretty sure other players can see that. Like i said before, money is a factor but to say it's the only factor is so short-sighted.

Selling home games out is also an irrelevant point. Look at your own home attendances just before the Sky money came in. You know, around about the time you we're a mid-table team/good cup team. You wasn't selling out but when the success came, the attendances grew. It just means the rest of the seats are sold to glory-hunting, prawn sandwich eating day-trippers or if you like, the success achieved by your club has attracted more fans.

Finally, even if the entire Man City team was made of up mercenaries, how would that stop them from being successful? Players aren't going to under-perform because they are being paid well. They are still going to perform to the best of their ability. What if we signed 11 world class mercenaries? Would we still have no sporting ambition? So even if we're playing along with your notion that they are money grabbing cunts, at what point does it change from a team of mercenaries to a team capable of challenging for the title?

I'd say 1 - 2 seasons. And what guarantee of success would the likes of Adebayor, Toure, Barry, Lescott and Santa Cruz have had over that period if they had have stayed at their previous clubs? None because none of them have the resources to take them to the next level. We have the resources to take us beyond that level. The end.

[leftylee]

Told you Ono you weren't getting Lescott It's the clubs decision and he has 3 years left on his contract. So he can't do shiit to change it.

The money grabbing twat is staying put.