Haye V Klitschko OFF

[BIG H]

I don't think for one minute that Haye bottled it!!

.......but I do think he would've got battered!!

[Kirkland Laing]

I see. But if Wlad is so terrified of Haye why did he agree to the fight in the first place? If Haye strikes so much fear into Wlad why didn't Wlad do like Haye did and fake an injury first and pull of the fight?

Because he got goaded and humiliated into taking it. And was the biggest fight out there for either of the Klitschkos, something their own manager admitted, and if he hadn't taken the challenge he would have looked even more of a chinny fraud than he already does. But now he's got the opportunity to dodge the fight due to Haye's injury and it looks like he's going to take it. Hopefully HBO can twist his arm and wait for Haye for a couple of weeks, but it's clear he wants nothing to do with fighting an actual live opponent.

I see. But suppose it's not Wlad that's scared. Maybe it's Haye? Maybe the big moment got to him? Could be he came to the conclusion he was in over his head and got cold feet. Why can't it be those options?

Because he is actually injured. The fight contract calls for an independent doctor to verify any injuries that cause the fight to be delayed or cancelled and that's what's going to happen. It's clear that Junior is botling out of the fight here, not haye. We'll have to continue this Monday morning.

[AdamGB]

The lust these groupies have for there fighter is something else.

Wlad ready to fight. Not his fault Haye punked out

To be fair though haye has said that he wants to postpone the fight, not cancel it... Wlad is the one looking for other opponents.

I'm sure of course that Haye is lying though...
There you go jumping to conclusions again... Make sure it's just words you want to put into Haye's mouth and nothing else...

So because he's looking to move on that means he's scared, right? Is that what you trying to say?

No I think that's what you want me to be saying.

I'm trying to tell you that if a fighter says he wants to postpone a fight it doesn't mean that he doesn't want the fight... it means he wants to postpone it (funnily enough)

[Violent Demise]

Because he got goaded and humiliated into taking it. And was the biggest fight out there for either of the Klitschkos, something their own manager admitted, and if he hadn't taken the challenge he would have looked even more of a chinny fraud than he already does. But now he's got the opportunity to dodge the fight due to Haye's injury and it looks like he's going to take it. Hopefully HBO can twist his arm and wait for Haye for a couple of weeks, but it's clear he wants nothing to do with fighting an actual live opponent.

I see. But suppose it's not Wlad that's scared. Maybe it's Haye? Maybe the big moment got to him? Could be he came to the conclusion he was in over his head and got cold feet. Why can't it be those options?

Because he is actually injured. The fight contract calls for an independent doctor to verify any injuries that cause the fight to be delayed or cancelled and that's what's going to happen. It's clear that Junior is botling out of the fight here, not haye. We'll have to continue this Monday morning.

You groupies are so transparent. Your not fooling anybody. It's cuz Haye is from the UK and Wlad is not. So it has to be Wlad that's scared. Despite the fact that Wlad (to my knowledge) has never pulled out of a fight before, he's still scared. Yet the smaller Cruiserweight with a weak jaw and stamina issues is spooking Wlad that bad, huh? Have some self respect for yourself. Look at your self. Your a mindless groupie who's lust for Haye is so great your making up some of the dumbest, stupidest reasons ever. Just to defend him. And the real sad part is you actually believe it.

[Violent Demise]

To be fair though haye has said that he wants to postpone the fight, not cancel it... Wlad is the one looking for other opponents.

I'm sure of course that Haye is lying though...
There you go jumping to conclusions again... Make sure it's just words you want to put into Haye's mouth and nothing else...

So because he's looking to move on that means he's scared, right? Is that what you trying to say?

No I think that's what you want me to be saying.

I'm trying to tell you that if a fighter says he wants to postpone a fight it doesn't mean that he doesn't want the fight... it means he wants to postpone it (funnily enough)

Yet you mention Wlad is the one moving on. Like it's suppose to mean something.

Wlad did Haye a favor by giving him a title shot. There was a date and location already set. All Haye had to do was get there. He couldn't. Not Wlad's fault. Why should he cater to Haye any more?

[AdamGB]

He shouldn't.

But it's not haye that is walking away from the fight all together and you know it.

I'm not saying what Wlad's motives or reasons are, can you show me where I did? 'It' is supposed to mean that Haye isn't the one walking away from the fight, as you appear to be saying that he is.

[Mar]

This thread alone show why is sucks ass all this is happening, it does kinda suck that haye cried his way to this point while others are fighting but now since what's done is done i really wanted to see it. I'm not sure which one of you guys are right or wrong and who cares but one HW fight i actually wanted to see being in limbo just sucks ass.

[El Kabong]

I think it's better off that Wlad fights Chagaev (who is unbeaten and WBA Champ in recess whatever the fuck that means)....anyway Chagaev is a SOMEBODY in the division David Haye is a nobody!!!

Sure people say he should be able to jump up to heavyweight and fit right in but we don't know that for sure do we? Ricky Hatton had trouble fighting 7 pounds over his normal fighting weight....7 pounds!!!! And Haye's opponents Outside of Mormeck I really don't see anyone that really catches my eye, I know it's the normal thing to say when talking down a fighter "Look at his record who has he fought?" but honestly let's disect Haye's record, his "biggest wins" are vs Mormeck, Maccarinelli, and Monte Barrett that's a very poor list, even for a guy with just 23 fights under his belt. I've heard interviews with Haye comparing Wladimir to Alexander Gurov...WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!!!! It is amazing Haye even got the shot, if not for his big mouth and wins in a PISS POOR division along with the support of Setnanta and Steve Bunce he would be another nobody!!!

Now I WANT David Haye to be someone in the division, I want him to win big fights and have his success but he's never, ever, ever, ever, ever going to beat Wladimir. When Wladimir was set to fight Lennox Lewis and he kept hounding Lennox everyone said "He's not ready" and that was when Wlad had 40 some fights!....well the tables have turned and David Haye is not ready!!!

[WelshDevilRob]

I think it's better off that Wlad fights Chagaev (who is unbeaten and WBA Champ in recess whatever the fuck that means)....anyway Chagaev is a SOMEBODY in the division David Haye is a nobody!!!

Sure people say he should be able to jump up to heavyweight and fit right in but we don't know that for sure do we? Ricky Hatton had trouble fighting 7 pounds over his normal fighting weight....7 pounds!!!! And Haye's opponents Outside of Mormeck I really don't see anyone that really catches my eye, I know it's the normal thing to say when talking down a fighter "Look at his record who has he fought?" but honestly let's disect Haye's record, his "biggest wins" are vs Mormeck, Maccarinelli, and Monte Barrett that's a very poor list, even for a guy with just 23 fights under his belt. I've heard interviews with Haye comparing Wladimir to Alexander Gurov...WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!!!! It is amazing Haye even got the shot, if not for his big mouth and wins in a PISS POOR division along with the support of Setnanta and Steve Bunce he would be another nobody!!!

Now I WANT David Haye to be someone in the division, I want him to win big fights and have his success but he's never, ever, ever, ever, ever going to beat Wladimir. When Wladimir was set to fight Lennox Lewis and he kept hounding Lennox everyone said "He's not ready" and that was when Wlad had 40 some fights!....well the tables have turned and David Haye is not ready!!!

On Chagaev: I read his Hepatitis B gets worse when he trains and is more contagious. The Finish authorities showed there integrity in not allowing him to fight. I used to like Chagaev but this illness/ disease has weakened him and he is not the force he once was. He struggled badly with the unknown Drummond.

Wlad wasn't ready for Lennox back in the day and never would have been - he would have got sparked by Lennox.

HBO don't want the Chagaev fight they want Haye. Haye is the draw in the US not Wlad.

[El Kabong]

Rob, inspite of what Steve Bunce may say, David Haye doesn't carry weight here in the US people don't know who he is, or they don't care, and the ones that do know who Haye is want to see him get massacred in the ring.

David Haye isn't ready for Wladimir, he has no experience vs anyone with Wladimir's skill. Steve Bunce can talk shit all he wants to about how bad Wladimir is and how great David Haye is but it's going to be one rude damn awakening when the hammer comes down on that chin of Haye's

[Violent Demise]

He shouldn't.

But it's not haye that is walking away from the fight all together and you know it.

I'm not saying what Wlad's motives or reasons are, can you show me where I did? 'It' is supposed to mean that Haye isn't the one walking away from the fight, as you appear to be saying that he is.

No. Just for the moment

[El Kabong]

Why the fuck shoudl Wlad be forced to wait when Wladimir wanted to fight in February, he wanted to fight in March, and now David Haye gets some sand in his vagina and wants to postpone until July.....Wladimir is the champion, champions don't wait, champions have a queue of fighters waiting to get their shot and Haye just blew his chance for the moment.

[Violent Demise]

Why the fuck shoudl Wlad be forced to wait when Wladimir wanted to fight in February, he wanted to fight in March, and now David Haye gets some sand in his vagina and wants to postpone until July.....Wladimir is the champion, champions don't wait, champions have a queue of fighters waiting to get their shot and Haye just blew his chance for the moment.

Pretty much the way I see it. If you think about it, all this might of been planned. I would not be surprised if Haye is at home with his people talking about how "I can't believe they actually called my bluff".

[WelshDevilRob]

Rob, inspite of what Steve Bunce may say, David Haye doesn't carry weight here in the US people don't know who he is, or they don't care, and the ones that do know who Haye is want to see him get massacred in the ring.

David Haye isn't ready for Wladimir, he has no experience vs anyone with Wladimir's skill. Steve Bunce can talk shit all he wants to about how bad Wladimir is and how great David Haye is but it's going to be one rude damn awakening when the hammer comes down on that chin of Haye's

Lyle,

I enjoy Bunce's rants they are entertaining if uninformed. HBO have turned down Wlad vs Chagaev? They were going to air the Haye fight. Haye is a draw to HBO someone they can sell.

The only good thing to come-out of all this is the possibility that Vitali will now fight Haye. Vitali is the main man not his brother and he don't want to fight Maskaev. (Old and shot)

I respectfully disagree with you on Haye's readiness but conceed I'd have liked him to have had 2 more fights to get used to carrying the extra weight. I do see the Klitschkos as beatable.

I am gutted this fight seems to have fallen through. Klitschko vs Chagaev is going ahead just seems to need a US channel. There may be a silver lining and we get Vitali vs Haye. Vitali is definately up for that.

[Violent Demise]

And there goes Haye's chance

Klitschko, Chagaev reach agreement