Pacquiao-Mayweather in jeopardy...

[hitmanhatton]

@ElTerrible - A penalty for coming in over weight is to prevent Floyd using his weight to create an advantage over the smaller fighter which he just did last September...

The Roid issue is completely made up!


@Majesty - I have no double standard on my issues...But I will not compare apple and oranges... Would Mayweather come up with a penalty at PAC for coming in overweight?? No... Because Pac does not create advantages using his weight AFTER the weight is agreed upon... PBF will agree to a weight and then come in heavy...

The ROID issue is completely made up and has not basis of being even used against PAC.

@Killer - I really like your breakdown of the unrealistic terms of overall drug screening; however, my point is that Mayweather has no bearing on being the guy that starts this new drug screening process. This should be reviewed and drummed up by the sanctioning bodies... Not a fighters pre-fight stipulation without any evidence to even accuse PAC in the first place...

and a test is there to stop pac possibly using ped's to gain an advantage same thing

On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

[DaxxKahn]

Could this at all be a bit of giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine?

Because Floyd of course doesn't have a track record or refusing demands of another camp then giving in at the last minute? He has done it how many times with purse splits, ring size, etc.....

Then after causing a shit load of stress and extra negotiations tiring the other camp out giving in just as the fight looks about to fall through....

Could this be happening to him now? We won't know until all is said and done but funny how everyone is ready to label Manny a cheater and user of steroids but Floyd using tactics like this on other aspects makes him a genius?

It really sickens me how people are ready to brand a man before all is said and done...It sickens me how it is ok for one fighter to do simular tactics but if another MIGHT be imploying the same tactics they are cheats and hiding something...

Truth is if Manny refused to wear blue gloves instead of red ones at Floyd request the same people who are talking all the shit about this would be talking the same shit about that..

If the roles were reversed the comments would be

"Why should Floyd submit to a test he is not taking anything we all know he is just a natural talent etc" or something along those lines..

Here is something to piss of the Floyd fans who seem to insist I am a Pacquiao nuthugger because I am defending the situation NOT THE FACT A FIGHTER WOULD BE TESTED FOR STEROIDS BY THE MOST CONCLUSIVE TEST THERE IS WHEN IN TRUTH EVERY FIGHTER AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POSET WHO GOES MORE THEN 90 DAYS BETWEEN BOUTS SHOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ANYWAY..

Maybe Floyd is requesting the test because he is a bit scared?

Afraid the little man might be on something and hurt poor pretty boy? The man who claims he can't be hurt...Can't be touched...Can't be beat because he is just that good....

Until he seen the destruction of Manny's last 3 opponents that is...Then he put 2 and 2 together realizing his plan to use Marquez as a measuring stick to see what Pacquiao has to offer him really did not pan out because Manny put a clinic on the man Floyd ducked as a WW in Miguel Cotto....

Shit if Pacquiao fougfht Paul Williams and beat him there is a chance Floyd would change his name and move to a remote Island in hopes of never being found

there is a big difference here, messing other fighters around over ring size and purses doesnt harm anyones career directly

manny is refusing to take a test which would easilly prove his innocence, seems a bit odd to me

its like being accused of stealing and you firmly denying it but refusing to turn out your pockets..

and your comment about floyd being worried pacquaio is on something and may hurt him .... what do you expect, you say that as if floyd should just fight pac with his drugs otherwise he is afraid

Why hasen't Floyd asked this of any of his other opponents? What if DLH made the same request of Floyd for their fight?

Why did he not ask this of Marquez who had jumped from 128-143 in a matter of 4 fights

[hitmanhatton]

Could this at all be a bit of giving Floyd a taste of his own medicine?

Because Floyd of course doesn't have a track record or refusing demands of another camp then giving in at the last minute? He has done it how many times with purse splits, ring size, etc.....

Then after causing a shit load of stress and extra negotiations tiring the other camp out giving in just as the fight looks about to fall through....

Could this be happening to him now? We won't know until all is said and done but funny how everyone is ready to label Manny a cheater and user of steroids but Floyd using tactics like this on other aspects makes him a genius?

It really sickens me how people are ready to brand a man before all is said and done...It sickens me how it is ok for one fighter to do simular tactics but if another MIGHT be imploying the same tactics they are cheats and hiding something...

Truth is if Manny refused to wear blue gloves instead of red ones at Floyd request the same people who are talking all the shit about this would be talking the same shit about that..

If the roles were reversed the comments would be

"Why should Floyd submit to a test he is not taking anything we all know he is just a natural talent etc" or something along those lines..

Here is something to piss of the Floyd fans who seem to insist I am a Pacquiao nuthugger because I am defending the situation NOT THE FACT A FIGHTER WOULD BE TESTED FOR STEROIDS BY THE MOST CONCLUSIVE TEST THERE IS WHEN IN TRUTH EVERY FIGHTER AS I MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER POSET WHO GOES MORE THEN 90 DAYS BETWEEN BOUTS SHOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ANYWAY..

Maybe Floyd is requesting the test because he is a bit scared?

Afraid the little man might be on something and hurt poor pretty boy? The man who claims he can't be hurt...Can't be touched...Can't be beat because he is just that good....

Until he seen the destruction of Manny's last 3 opponents that is...Then he put 2 and 2 together realizing his plan to use Marquez as a measuring stick to see what Pacquiao has to offer him really did not pan out because Manny put a clinic on the man Floyd ducked as a WW in Miguel Cotto....

Shit if Pacquiao fougfht Paul Williams and beat him there is a chance Floyd would change his name and move to a remote Island in hopes of never being found

there is a big difference here, messing other fighters around over ring size and purses doesnt harm anyones career directly

manny is refusing to take a test which would easilly prove his innocence, seems a bit odd to me

its like being accused of stealing and you firmly denying it but refusing to turn out your pockets..

and your comment about floyd being worried pacquaio is on something and may hurt him .... what do you expect, you say that as if floyd should just fight pac with his drugs otherwise he is afraid

Why hasen't Floyd asked this of any of his other opponents? What if DLH made the same request of Floyd for their fight?

Why did he not ask this of Marquez who had jumped from 128-143 in a matter of 4 fights

because the suspicion wasnt there, not from the mayweather camp but from others

because marquez slowed right down and looked worse the higher in weight he got, this is what happens to the human body naturally hasnt to pac somehow though

[hitmanhatton]

After a little research it sounds like Roaches red blood cell count argument has some merit. Take the blood before the the 8 weeks prior to the fight, then do the regular drug tests that have been sufficient for everyone else. This will be Floyds fault if this thing falls through. Or atleast it sounds like right now.

hahahaha there only taking a tiny sample of blood to test, he isnt giving them 2 pints of blood !

why 8 weeks, it seems like your trying work out a scenario were he could use and still pass the tests

[cnote111]

and a test is there to stop pac possibly using ped's to gain an advantage same thing

On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...

Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

[rickyhatton1975]

[quote=hitmanhatton;828180]

I am

are andre berto, paulie malinaggi and floyd sr so unknowledgable too ?

Did you REALLY put Paul Malinaggi and Floyd Sr in the same sentence and pose a knowledge/integrity question?

Paulie is a foul mouthed wanker from brooklyn.

Floyd Senior is an antagonist speak-a-thon.

[hitmanhatton]

[quote=rickyhatton1975;828203]

I am

are andre berto, paulie malinaggi and floyd sr so unknowledgable too ?

Did you REALLY put Paul Malinaggi and Floyd Sr in the same sentence and pose a knowledge/integrity question?

Paulie is a foul mouthed wanker from brooklyn.

Floyd Senior is an antagonist speak-a-thon.

brilliant .......

so those two heavilly involved in the sport are inferior to you ?

[killersheep]

On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...

Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVStmLCoH30

0:32 surely that constitutes a wobble.

[hitmanhatton]

On what grounds!!

"Possibly" indicates a reasonable doubt that he is clean..There is no reasonable doubt.. Sorry he dominated his opponents his last four fights... He must be cheating!!

so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...

Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

you need to watch that fight again jmm did hurt him

and the olympics arent a big event ?

[cnote111]

If this type of drug testing isn't put in place by some sort of commission or sanctioning body for EVERYONE! Then i would tell my opponent to take a long walk off a short cliff, if there was no basis for his accusation...

Dominating opponents is not a legitimate reason!

[cnote111]

so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...

Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

you need to watch that fight again jmm did hurt him

and the olympics arent a big event ?

JMM sure did I think i saw Pac wobble a bunch a times, and shoot i think Pac even down once or twice....."whatever"

You must have not read what i said on the Olympics point... My point was that ALL OLYMPIANS are subjected to that type of testing EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!... This is one guy telling the other guy you need to take this test even though no other boxer has ever had to before... Just because!

[cnote111]

so he goes from being hurt by the likes of marquez, but can take cottos shots easilly, his carried both speed and power up, his power seems to have improved ten fold

never happened before, most things would point to this being physically impossible

and anyway fighters should be tested like in any other sport

1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...


Diaz, DLH, Hatton, or Cotto never landed a similar shot and Pac has improved his balance since that fight... Maybe that was the reason why...

I will never take anything away from JMM - He is wonderful against pac and brilliant against Southpaws..
Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVStmLCoH30

0:32 surely that constitutes a wobble.

Pac was completely out of position while stepping out and got caught on the chin while being off balance (which was a major weakness JMM was able to exploit) - Pac was still in no danger of hitting the canvas...

[hitmanhatton]

1. Did feel Cottos punches and had a buster ear drum, and JMM never hurt Pac are you crazy..> Pac hasn't been buckled or wobbled in a very long time...

Boxers are tested like in other sports, just not like the Olympics... Which the Olympic style testing is for ALL THE OLYMPIANS!!! not just the big events... Thats my point!

Floyd wants a brand new testing system implimented in this one fight... But yet it is not done nor has ever been done before...

and the olympics arent a big event ?

JMM sure did I think i saw Pac wobble a bunch a times, and shoot i think Pac even down once or twice....."whatever"

You must have not read what i said on the Olympics point... My point was that ALL OLYMPIANS are subjected to that type of testing EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!... This is one guy telling the other guy you need to take this test even though no other boxer has ever had to before... Just because!

ye just olympians not all amatuers... however you spin it your wrong

[cnote111]

and the olympics arent a big event ?

JMM sure did I think i saw Pac wobble a bunch a times, and shoot i think Pac even down once or twice....."whatever"

You must have not read what i said on the Olympics point... My point was that ALL OLYMPIANS are subjected to that type of testing EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!... This is one guy telling the other guy you need to take this test even though no other boxer has ever had to before... Just because!

ye just olympians not all amatuers... however you spin it your wrong

what - you lost me with the amatuer talk... I never said anything about amatuers...

However you read it is what makes it wrong... Are you sure your not dyslexic?

[hitmanhatton]

JMM sure did I think i saw Pac wobble a bunch a times, and shoot i think Pac even down once or twice....."whatever"

You must have not read what i said on the Olympics point... My point was that ALL OLYMPIANS are subjected to that type of testing EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!... This is one guy telling the other guy you need to take this test even though no other boxer has ever had to before... Just because!

ye just olympians not all amatuers... however you spin it your wrong

what - you lost me with the amatuer talk... I never said anything about amatuers...

However you read it is what makes it wrong... Are you sure your not dyslexic?

you do realise it is amatuers that compete in the olympics ?? and you have the cheek to try and question my intelligence