Lets end the Mike Tyson debate

[Beanflicker]

I love how the "let's end the debate" thread ended up being 10 pages of debating.

[Mr140]

Well bean if we are going to have to end a debate we might as well have a long one before it ends. I mean if we were going to do a Tyson Ali thing again would of already been 30 pages. I seen some good points we even talk about steroid use as well just get it in one big thread lol.

[Beanflicker]

Well bean if we are going to have to end a debate we might as well have a long one before it ends. I mean if we were going to do a Tyson Ali thing again would of already been 30 pages. I seen some good points we even talk about steroid use as well just get it in one big thread lol.

Oh I wasn't being sarcastic, I enjoy the thread lol

[Beanflicker]

I still can't believe people think guys like Ken Norton, Joe Frazier or Rocky Marciano would have a shot against a prime Tyson

[ray corso]

Not sure why you think Mike walks over Marciano ! Kennys style wouldn't lend very well against Mike plus Kenny was notoriously a slow started who like to get a feel for the opponent and that alone doesn't set to good against high volumn guys like Mike! Same with Joe, his one handed attack is a liability against Mike!

Marciano was a tremendous competitor first! He could hurt ANYONE with either hand and was a terrific body puncher who judged distance as well as anyone who fought! He could counter with either hand and did work in combination too! He slipped inside and outside and could get underneath the taller guys also!!
Size; Tysons best was 5'9" 215lbs
Size; Rockys best was 5'11" 191lbs.............to me theres no advantages with size comparisons from height to reach. I like Marcianos work rate over Mike once they get passed 4 rounds! Both could get in trouble early but I think Rocky has an edge as the rounds go bye!

This could sell any venue out and the gate would be insane along with the PPV, if these men fought each other 3 times they'd never have to fight again!! Then again one or both wouldn't be the same again probably either!

Ray.

[Master]

Rocky was not taller than Tyson stop making things up to suit your fighter.

[cambay411]

Prime Foreman would have been a horrible match up for Tyson.

[Master]

Prime Foreman would have been a horrible match up for Tyson.

Prime Foreman was raw, slow and one dimensional just as Ali described him as Frankenstein. Tyson would have enjoyed punching at the gaps in his defence.

[cambay411]

Foreman would have caught him coming in just like he did Frazier.

I agree Tyson had better movement and power than Frazier. It wouldn't matter if Foreman moved like Frankenstein, Tyson would come to him. And Forerman would have caught him with his timing.

[cambay411]

Not to mention Foremans footwork was way better than he got credit for.

[ray corso]

I worked with my old friend Cus keeping an eye on Mike & Teddy back when Mike was a J.O amatuer. i worked his corners at the Colo. Springs Olympic Training center and at all the regional tourneys! I know how tall mike was, grew into and weighed!!!!! I weighed him IN at ALL those events!!!

I met Rocky Marciano twice and he was simular to Jack Dempsey who I met twice in that at 5'11 and under 200 as active fighters they both would tower over Mike!!!! Dempsey was atleast 220lbs at 60 yrs old and his appearance was HUGE!! Thick hands and huge shoulders.

Now I'm not getting into a bunch of crap with people who know of these men by reading and pictures!!! I don't care what you think and if you really gave a damn about learning something about these men you'd think you would listen to someone who has met them and in Tysons case knew him personally when he was 14 yrs old till he was 20!!! If this BS styarts on this site too then I'm out of here, I worked in boxing for over 45 years and because my work preceeded the damn net and you kids don't think you know me doesn't mean I didn't happen, get it!!!! You want to talk boxing?
Methods, training, techniques, business, matchmaking, managing?? Just ask, you don't know what I know if you don't want to learn then just avoid my posts but don't think your calling me a liar and not getting your BS called out!!
i post my real name and my location, if you want to sing it just bring it!!! Sooooo tired of these internet people who have never done what they're trying to talk about!!!! Ray Corso

[cambay411]

I worked with my old friend Cus keeping an eye on Mike & Teddy back when Mike was a J.O amatuer. i worked his corners at the Colo. Springs Olympic Training center and at all the regional tourneys! I know how tall mike was, grew into and weighed!!!!! I weighed him IN at ALL those events!!!

I met Rocky Marciano twice and he was simular to Jack Dempsey who I met twice in that at 5'11 and under 200 as active fighters they both would tower over Mike!!!! Dempsey was atleast 220lbs at 60 yrs old and his appearance was HUGE!! Thick hands and huge shoulders.

Now I'm not getting into a bunch of crap with people who know of these men by reading and pictures!!! I don't care what you think and if you really gave a damn about learning something about these men you'd think you would listen to someone who has met them and in Tysons case knew him personally when he was 14 yrs old till he was 20!!! If this BS styarts on this site too then I'm out of here, I worked in boxing for over 45 years and because my work preceeded the damn net and you kids don't think you know me doesn't mean I didn't happen, get it!!!! You want to talk boxing?
Methods, training, techniques, business, matchmaking, managing?? Just ask, you don't know what I know if you don't want to learn then just avoid my posts but don't think your calling me a liar and not getting your BS called out!!
i post my real name and my location, if you want to sing it just bring it!!! Sooooo tired of these internet people who have never done what they're trying to talk about!!!! Ray Corso

That awesome if all this is true.

[p4pking]

I worked with my old friend Cus keeping an eye on Mike & Teddy back when Mike was a J.O amatuer. i worked his corners at the Colo. Springs Olympic Training center and at all the regional tourneys! I know how tall mike was, grew into and weighed!!!!! I weighed him IN at ALL those events!!!

I met Rocky Marciano twice and he was simular to Jack Dempsey who I met twice in that at 5'11 and under 200 as active fighters they both would tower over Mike!!!! Dempsey was atleast 220lbs at 60 yrs old and his appearance was HUGE!! Thick hands and huge shoulders.

Now I'm not getting into a bunch of crap with people who know of these men by reading and pictures!!! I don't care what you think and if you really gave a damn about learning something about these men you'd think you would listen to someone who has met them and in Tysons case knew him personally when he was 14 yrs old till he was 20!!! If this BS styarts on this site too then I'm out of here, I worked in boxing for over 45 years and because my work preceeded the damn net and you kids don't think you know me doesn't mean I didn't happen, get it!!!! You want to talk boxing?
Methods, training, techniques, business, matchmaking, managing?? Just ask, you don't know what I know if you don't want to learn then just avoid my posts but don't think your calling me a liar and not getting your BS called out!!
i post my real name and my location, if you want to sing it just bring it!!! Sooooo tired of these internet people who have never done what they're trying to talk about!!!! Ray Corso

"This BS" probably starts on any site you post like this on, genius. Somehow I doubt you'd be terribly missed anywhere.

[ray corso]

Then again what do you bring to the discussion! Wheres your gym at, who have you worked with? What your name?? Who are you? Ray Corso



who are you the Ghost of Muddy Waters?

[p4pking]

I'm not pretending to be anybody. It's indeed very cool if you have worked with top men in the sport, but there's no need to be such an exclusionary douchebag about it in saying so. Take your blood pressure meds already, yeesh.