Garcia vs Porter on Sept 8 for the vacant WBC welterweight belt

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I can’t think of a recent fight where a draw was more In order, neither guy deserved to lose that. Would like to see Mikey Garcia fight either of the two before Spence,would be a real acid test and indicator of whether the weight jump is realistic.

[Ron Swanson]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

[p4pking]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

[Ron Swanson]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

[powerpuncher]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Because we all think jumping in with Spence is a bad idea and that fighting another welter first is the better idea. I would love it if he could fight Loma first and then make the jump. That probably won’t happen either though yet we still talk about it

[p4pking]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Well it’s all hypothetical anyways until something is signed, Mikey fought not long ago, I was just saying. Feel like you follow boxing on a day to day thing much more than I, so no real qualms with your stance. Don’t you think it’d be wiser for Garcia to test the waters against someone lesser who holds the weight, though? He looked and struggled every bit the part of a smaller man against lipinets...I totally understand just wanting to see good fights made, but this one could be better in due course, right? I don’t think it’s even competitive if made next.

[Ron Swanson]

Why do people keep talking about Mikey Garcia fighting one of them, it makes no sense? The point of Spence/Garcia is that they want to fight this year or early next year.

Porter doesn’t want to fight until spring at the earliest. Garcia can’t get Loma so raise his profile now and try to get Loma later. Spence can’t get Porter now so try to raise his profile and get Porter in the spring to early summer.

Spence/Garcia is a convenient way to raise each’s profile, make some money and do it now. Waiting for a different fighter defeats the purpose.

Uhhh.. I think the logic would be that neither porter or Garcia are as good as Spence, and Mikey’s quite small to be jumping up that much in weight and also going in against a similar talent. I think you’re smart enough to have not posted that, but maybe your desire to antagonize everyone outweighs it often times?

How is it antagonistic to point out that people keep bringing up something that

1)won’t happen
And
2)doesn’t fit anyone’s goals

If Mikey Garcia is going to wait until spring/early summer to fight he should be targeting Loma

Well it’s all hypothetical anyways until something is signed, Mikey fought not long ago, I was just saying. Feel like you follow boxing on a day to day thing much more than I, so no real qualms with your stance. Don’t you think it’d be wiser for Garcia to test the waters against someone lesser who holds the weight, though? He looked and struggled every bit the part of a smaller man against lipinets...I totally understand just wanting to see good fights made, but this one could be better in due course, right? I don’t think it’s even competitive if made next.

Generally I would say grow into a weight. But I don’t think Mikey will ever have any more chance against Spence than he does now. I don’t think he beats him now or 2 years from now.

I think it is only a chance for both to get paid and Mikey to walk away with the reputation that he will fight anyone which he can then use to force Loma’s hand. Right now people say Arum/Mikey have issues even though Mikey is quite clear he is willing to make that fight and wants to talk. This leaves Loma free and clear. Nobody demands anything of Loma and somehow the guy clearly willing to fight gets the blame. If he fights Spence everyone knows for certain he is willing to fight Loma so the pressure shifts and we have a chance at least at getting the fight we want.

My only concern in this is how do we force Arum to allow Garcia/Loma

[Alpha]

Loma is scheduled to face Pedraza in Dec. Mikey should defend against Commey, they could then realistically start to negotiate this fight.

Both guys best move in my opinion is to unify 135, then look at 140 and the Ramirez/ Orozco winner, Hooker and the WBSS winner.

The fighters at 147 all have their own work to do in the meantime.

[powerpuncher]

Loma is scheduled to face Pedraza in Dec. Mikey should defend against Commey, they could then realistically start to negotiate this fight.

Both guys best move in my opinion is to unify 135, then look at 140 and the Ramirez/ Orozco winner, Hooker and the WBSS winner.

The fighters at 147 all have their own work to do in the meantime.

Completely true. Win or lose, Mikey has options at 140. There are really good fights at 140 for him that would really boost his ratings especially if he beats Loma first.

[Spicoli]

Loma is scheduled to face Pedraza in Dec. Mikey should defend against Commey, they could then realistically start to negotiate this fight.

Both guys best move in my opinion is to unify 135, then look at 140 and the Ramirez/ Orozco winner, Hooker and the WBSS winner.

The fighters at 147 all have their own work to do in the meantime.

Makes great sense so they probably wont do it . I actually feel a bit for Mikey as Spence, Garcia and Porter were all talking around him and about the winner meeting Spence next year on the last two cards. Spence talking winner just didn't make sense with the calendar and I feel Mikey was a bit of a pawn. We'll see though but at least on Saturday Garcia wasn't even mentioned and barley looked at the camera. I would love to see him bring a broom to 140 if Loma mega fight remains mute.

[Alpha]

I feel both Garcia and Spence used it a bit to raise their profiles, the fight may still happen, but hopefully Mikey's team will be able to convince him of a different path for now.

I just don't really see the path they are taking for Garcia with a Spence fight. If he wins would he stay at 147 and fight the other top guys? I know that's what I'd want from him if he won, that makes a Loma fight an even more remote possibility. Or would/could he drop back to 140 or 135 for Loma or whoever has emerged at 140?

Where does he settle if he loses? I doubt he'd stay at welter. So probably 140 is more likely.

Mikey strikes me as a guy who could live without boxing, he might just take the money and retire.

Personally I think Mikey can make excellent fights at 135 and 140, as well as good money, for another year or 2 before a need even arises to go to 147.

[Ron Swanson]

I really don’t mean to offend when I say it looks like people are just brainstorming

Mikey could make great fights at 135, against who? Arum won’t take Mikey’s calls. His stepson won’t take Mikey’s calls. Let’s recap this

When asked about Mikey/Loma Arum said Mikey is impossible to negotiate with.

Mikey responded “how would he know, he’s never negotiated with me, call me”

When asked about this Arum said point blank “I won’t negotiate with Mikey, I’ll make him an offer to fight on ESPN he can take it or leave it”

To which Mikey responded, call me.

Getting no call he called Bob and Bobs son in law. Neither took or returned his calls. So Mikey started talking to other people at Top Rank who said flat out that they don’t want Loma to fight him.

So I repeat, what great fights at 135? Linares? Does anyone think Linares would stand a chance against Mikey with his chin?

To get Loma he has to put his foot on their throats. To do that he has to show it isn’t an Arum/Mikey issue it is that they don’t want to fight Mikey issue. We already know that from Bobs words. But everyone has to know that or Bob can continue to do what he has already done “we will make him an offer” and just not make an offer when there is no follow up. Everyone needs to be “why won’t you fight Mikey?” to have a chance at it happening, everyone.

And Spence was quite clear after the Porter/Garcia fight his plan is Garcia December/January, Porter whenever Porter is ready to fight again, then Thurman. We don’t know if it will go down that way but it is clear Mikey/Errol still want to fight. Bad move from Mikey on that fight but if he comes out not damaged he can get loud “look at what I’m doing, I’m smaller than Loma but I’m looking for big fights, why won’t he fight me?” (Smaller in the sense they started at the same weight and Loma is taller) It would put major pressure on TR to make the fight we all want. If anyone thinks it doesn’t need major pressure they have their head in the sand ignoring what TR is saying. Mikey has been saying for a year now “they don’t want it”, Bob has been dodging and deflecting. It’s clear as day TR doesn’t want that fight

[Alpha]

I really don’t mean to offend when I say it looks like people are just brainstorming

Mikey could make great fights at 135, against who? Arum won’t take Mikey’s calls. His stepson won’t take Mikey’s calls. Let’s recap this

When asked about Mikey/Loma Arum said Mikey is impossible to negotiate with.

Mikey responded “how would he know, he’s never negotiated with me, call me”

When asked about this Arum said point blank “I won’t negotiate with Mikey, I’ll make him an offer to fight on ESPN he can take it or leave it”

To which Mikey responded, call me.

Getting no call he called Bob and Bobs son in law. Neither took or returned his calls. So Mikey started talking to other people at Top Rank who said flat out that they don’t want Loma to fight him.

So I repeat, what great fights at 135? Linares? Does anyone think Linares would stand a chance against Mikey with his chin?

To get Loma he has to put his foot on their throats. To do that he has to show it isn’t an Arum/Mikey issue it is that they don’t want to fight Mikey issue. We already know that from Bobs words. But everyone has to know that or Bob can continue to do what he has already done “we will make him an offer” and just not make an offer when there is no follow up. Everyone needs to be “why won’t you fight Mikey?” to have a chance at it happening, everyone.

And Spence was quite clear after the Porter/Garcia fight his plan is Garcia December/January, Porter whenever Porter is ready to fight again, then Thurman. We don’t know if it will go down that way but it is clear Mikey/Errol still want to fight. Bad move from Mikey on that fight but if he comes out not damaged he can get loud “look at what I’m doing, I’m smaller than Loma but I’m looking for big fights, why won’t he fight me?” (Smaller in the sense they started at the same weight and Loma is taller) It would put major pressure on TR to make the fight we all want. If anyone thinks it doesn’t need major pressure they have their head in the sand ignoring what TR is saying. Mikey has been saying for a year now “they don’t want it”, Bob has been dodging and deflecting. It’s clear as day TR doesn’t want that fight

For starters it is a boxing forum, so brainstorming should be the norm.

Secondly I never said 'great' fights. I also said 140, which you left out.

Plans and people change, being a boxing fan this is common place and at the end of the day money talks. If they can come together where everyone is happy, the fight could get done. I might not, but I have seen harder fights to make come together.

If Mikey keeps his belt and Loma picks up Pedraza's then a full on unification between the 2 mashes the most sense for everyone.

Mikey could make a defense against solid Commey, then see if the Loma gift can be made. If not Hooker or Linares at 140. After that the WBSS winner would be excellent.

Of course Spence wants that fight, its win win for him, unless he gets beat.

You read it now you want, I'll hold out hope and be positive that both Mikey and Loma will demand the fight gets made.

[Master]

Errol Spence blasts Terence Crawford, says fights with Porter and Thurman are more likely

Boxing fans dreaming of seeing a collision course between Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford might have to wait longer than desired — much longer.

After Spence confronted the newly crowned WBC welterweight champion Shawn Porter in the ring Sunday morning and challenged him to a unifying title fight — to which “Showtime” accepted — Spence rattled off even more names as possible opponents in the future. Some of the boxers mentioned? Keith Thurman, Danny Garcia, who just lost to Porter, and even Yordenis Ugas, who is the mandatory challenger for Spence’s IBF welterweight title.

That would leave Crawford out of Spence’s purview. And Spence claims to have his reasons for that. For starters, Spence (24-0, 21 KOs) believes that Crawford’s undefeated record and promoter Bob Arum are “smoke and mirrors.”

“He hasn’t beaten nobody, bro. You can’t name somebody,” Spence told the media early Sunday morning.

When members of the media shouted out some names that Crawford beat, Spence wasn’t impressed.

“Anybody you name,” Spence added, “I could argue with that every time.”

Crawford wasn't feeling that at all, taking to his Twitter account to fire back at Spence.

When asked what he thinks about Crawford’s Oct. 13 fight with Jose Benavidez, Spence let it be known that he “punished Benavidez in sparring.”

Spence did acknowledge that Crawford (33-0, 24 KOs) is “a great fighter” and that facing him would be a “big-money fight,” but that the business between them is just too different for them to make it happen right now.

“When I say we’re on different side of the streets, it’s true,” Spence, 28, continued. “Me and Terence Crawford are on different side of the streets. He just signed with [Top Rank and] ESPN. I don’t fight for ESPN. I fight for Showtime and Fox.”

Minutes later, he added: “There’s politics in boxing. I never fought on ESPN. I’m not going to fight on ESPN, probably.”

Spence says the complexity he anticipates in making the bout a reality makes him want to consider other opponents.

“Like I said, Terence Crawford is on the wrong side of the street," Spence added. "It’s me, Danny Garcia, you got Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, we got Ugas. We got a lot of fighters over here.”

By “over here,” Spence is referring to the fighters Al Haymon manages or advises, seemingly making those fights easier to make for “The Truth” than the trickier process that would likely play out while negotiating a clash with Crawford.

Dashing the hopes for a mega bout with Crawford for now, Spence says after facing Porter, the real fight for him to make is with Thurman.

“At the end of the day, I fee like me and Keith Thurman is the fight to make,” Spence said. “A lot of people bring up Terence Crawford since Keith Thurman’s been inactive. If Keith Thurman comes back and he has a great fight and he shows what he’s been showing in the fights with Danny Garcia and Shawn Porter, everyone is going to talk about Errol Spence vs. Keith Thurman.”

To that effect, Spence made sure to have choice words for Thurman. The two were sitting next to each other at the Barclays Center to watch Porter’s unanimous decision win over Garcia.

When egged on by Adrien Broner, who was in the Barclays’ interview room, to reveal what Spence told Thurman, Spence obliged.



“I told Keith Thurman, I’d stop him,” Spence said confidently.

When Broner asked him how many rounds it would take to do so, Spence said it would take him only six.

“He didn’t say nothing,” Spence said of Thurman’s reaction. “They know I’m the top dog, I’m the wolf in this division, I’m that guy. I’m not ducking no opposition.”

For now, Spence’s immediate intention is to cement a welterweight unification bout with Porter — something that should be doable, considering they both fight for Showtime and count Haymon as a manager.

“I don’t think the words we exchanged were for show. I want to be unified champ. I want to be undisputed champion, so, I have to go through those doors,” Spence said in his return to Barclays’ interview room. “I definitely think it can happen. Hopefully it happens sooner than later. Hopefully it happens the first quarter of next year. The money is there, so, it’s going to happen.”

Porter said he’s looking forward to it. So, are we. If Spence and Crawford continue on their undefeated paths, who’s to say that the swelling demand for the fight doesn’t force its hand, making the collision course come to a head? It can happen. Hopefully, it’s not too far down the road.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/err...190349196.html

[Alpha]

Spence was drunk as f-ck.