Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?

[killersheep]

Prove me wrong then............sho w me a fight where Hatton doesn't hold and hit and I'll cecede the point.

Tackie.

But, with respect, I'm guessing you've not see that many of Ricks fights otherwise you'd know that Rick isn't a dirty fighter at all.

You're kidding right? You're right I've only seen the fights on Hatton's website and the Collazo fight.
Are you honestly going to say Ricky did not hold and hit Tackie? Watch again.

http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/vid...on-tackie.html

everyone look at this and tell me Ricky didn't hold and hit.

[Tam Seddon]

Ill tell you what if this fight was such a big issue then why didnt it happen straight after the tszyu fight? both were champs undeafted and hungry. Ill tell you this Hatton has made the wrong choice going back down to 140 imo! he should be looking for the bigger fights and keeping up with the fighters he should be fighting. Im not 100% sure about this one but have any of these 2 fighters called each other out? Imo cottos record wont stay undeafted if he goes for Margarito

I disagree, Hatton should stay at 140, there are very tempting opportunities at 147 agreed, but I'm not so sure his body can handle being in fighting shape at 147 and still be effective. Hatton should fight where he is comfortable.
If he had an opportunity to properly train for 147 and grow into it, that fight may change my opinion, but the only thing
I have to go on at 147 is Collazo, and I agree that wasn't even close to being the same Ricky from 140.

Thing is Greg he only had 6 weeks so it would be tough. If you did something first time you cant always say its not always going to be perfect. Hatton fought at 140 all his life so i change would be different and until hatton can cope with this change there is little point in him fighting.

Imo i would prefer hatton to fight (and maybe lose) at 147 against the big boys (cotto, mayweather etc) but atleast he is showing us he is trying and he can go out swinging. I would prefer to see this to him staying at 140 and in MOST! cases winning safely. A fight with cotto at 147 would secure him a fat wage! why doesnt he go for him? he has a chance of course he does. Hatton imo should haven taken his mandatory against whatever his name was orkal is it? and then seen how it had gone after that. Luiz was a tough fight, until we know more about him and see him in another big name fight we cant fully judge him. But hatton still won the fight against somebody who had been fighting at 147 a lot longer than himself. Hatton was the challenger as well and i think some of you forget this. At the end of the day hatton won the fight and what a dumb thing he has done going back to 140

very well argued

cc back miles nearly on 100 now! but hatton really does need to think before he could make the biggest mistake of his life...with legacy etc!

Doing good, mate!!

I am a Hatton fan, but the whole going up to 147 and then having a tricky fight and going immediately back down again....well, it reeks of conservatism. As you say why not try out against the mandatory with more time to fill into the weight? But, no. Straight back down to 140 to fight....who exactly

Yer we all know he SHOULD! beat Urango but what is it leading onto.....a beefed up castillo/corraless.....it dont mean S*** imo.......fighting cotto/mayweather does....even if he does lose im sure he wont get the S*** beaten out of him. he really needs to think wisely. If we see a destruction of Urango I feel hatton should make his way up asap and slot him self in there.

I agree. Hatton is never going going to get a PBF fight. He can beat these beefed up smaller guys in his sleep. Risks are what earn respect and Hatton is now taking few risks! And isnt that one of the reasons he left the Warren camp for?

Its bizarre that you would win a belt at a higher weight and then just move down!

Im a Hatton fan but that really is what fuels these flames. Hatton has lost a lot of respect! Its as simple as...

The people can talk all they want about him being better at 140...and cotto hitting his best at 147.....but without hatton taking his risks that would draw people like myself to watch him. A fight at 140 and im not even sure i would want to see. i would look the next day hatton wins on boxrec.but fuck me a fight at 147 against cotto i would be counting the days from my calander just waiting to watch this super fight. A SUPER FIGHT! it would be. hatton can tell us all the shit he wants but we all no that he wants to keep his record untouched. It wouldnt prove much at all. But another SUPER FIGHT! would. say if hatton lost to tszyu (at the time i thought he would) i remember watching the weigh in and feeling really happy/nervous that he was there but when i watched the fight i just felt like he was the man...i want to feel that again...i cant see hatton getting bummed by cotto at all. he would go there and do what he needs to do and go for the decision. Cotto aint miles ahead of hatton like the majority of people are pointing him out to be. Torres...who the fuck was he before that fight? i hadnt even heard of him. He pushed him to the limits like Collazo did to hatton and it was good to see. Cotto did well at 147, but hatton was pushed and im sure collazo would have fought hard as well against him. I couldnt see him cotto losing against luiz but remember styles make fights. hatton would have to be on the top to take on cotto and at the end of the day you can talk about hatton is his best at 140 but its only 7 pounds i know the punches will be harder and people can perform better etc but it also on motivation,homework and how the fight was approcched. many other aspects would have to be taken other than the 7 pound difference and this is where collazo imo showed he was lethal. we will have to see what lies for hatton but i want to see Hatton-Cotto at 147 soon!

[Steelie]

You're kidding right? You're right I've only seen the fights on Hatton's website and the Collazo fight.
Are you honestly going to say Ricky did not hold and hit Tackie? Watch again.

Great little fight that

Tackie was probably Rickys best 'boxing' performance so I picked it from memory. Yeah, he's holding in some of the clips but getting tangled up and fighting on the inside is a side effect of never taking a step back...and lets be honest, he's not the only one is he?

[killersheep]

You're kidding right? You're right I've only seen the fights on Hatton's website and the Collazo fight.
Are you honestly going to say Ricky did not hold and hit Tackie? Watch again.

Great little fight that

Tackie was probably Rickys best 'boxing' performance so I picked it from memory. Yeah, he's holding in some of the clips but getting tangled up and fighting on the inside is a side effect of never taking a step back...and lets be honest, he's not the only one is he?

Ok so, you can't think of a fight where Ricky didn't hold and hit, is that correct?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Prove me wrong then............sho w me a fight where Hatton doesn't hold and hit and I'll cecede the point.

Tackie.

But, with respect, I'm guessing you've not see that many of Ricks fights otherwise you'd know that Rick isn't a dirty fighter at all.

You're kidding right? You're right I've only seen the fights on Hatton's website and the Collazo fight.
Are you honestly going to say Ricky did not hold and hit Tackie? Watch again.

http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/vid...on-tackie.html

everyone look at this and tell me Ricky didn't hold and hit.

Ricky didnt hold and hit.

Im far from joking.

[killersheep]

Prove me wrong then............sho w me a fight where Hatton doesn't hold and hit and I'll cecede the point.

Tackie.

But, with respect, I'm guessing you've not see that many of Ricks fights otherwise you'd know that Rick isn't a dirty fighter at all.

You're kidding right? You're right I've only seen the fights on Hatton's website and the Collazo fight.
Are you honestly going to say Ricky did not hold and hit Tackie? Watch again.

http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/vid...on-tackie.html

everyone look at this and tell me Ricky didn't hold and hit.

Ricky didnt hold and hit.

Im far from joking.

So having someone in a headlock and punching their back is not holding and hitting?

[shza]

CC to killersheep. You are completely owning this debate.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Sorry, i must of mis read your post Killer...

Did you mean he was "Holding and hitting" or did you say he "Held and Hit... Right there! That one obscure inccident"?

Which did you mean?

But anyways, for being the undisputed champ of this debate

[killersheep]

CC to killersheep. You are completely owning this debate.

Sorry, i must of mis read your post Killer...

Did you mean he was "Holding and hitting" or did you say he "Held and Hit... Right there! That one obscure inccident"?

Which did you mean?

But anyways, for being the undisputed champ of this debate

CC back guys, I'm not trying to knock anyone's dick in the dirt here, and I hope no one harbors any ill feelings.
I am just trying to be as objective as possible (although I realize being human it is an exercise in futulity).

[smashup]

CC to killersheep. You are completely owning this debate.

No one is really owning the debate to be honest mate
Just two totally different angles on the subject.
Good debate people.
Lets just hope that they can sort this out in the ring one day soon.
Also Collazo is a much tougher opponent than Quintana.

[killersheep]

CC to killersheep. You are completely owning this debate.

No one is really owning the debate to be honest mate
Just two totally different angles on the subject.
Good debate people.
Lets just hope that they can sort this out in the ring one day soon.
Also Collazo is a much tougher opponent than Quintana.

CC bruv, I am enjoying this one, could go on forever, and honestly by the time actually does take place (if ever) so many things could change I might change my opinion completely. Look at this

Hatton vs. Urango @ 140
Cotto vs. Urkal @ 147

Those have to happen, then

Hatton vs. Castillo @ 140
Cotto vs. Margarito @147 (Margarito already backed out from Williams because of injury and is vacating)

And then finally a year from now

Hatton vs. Cotto @ 147 Hopefully in like Africa or Antarctica or somewhere else neutral.

So many variables.

And on top of that Quintana whips Collazo any day of the week :P

[Steelie]

You're kidding right? You're right I've only seen the fights on Hatton's website and the Collazo fight.
Are you honestly going to say Ricky did not hold and hit Tackie? Watch again.

Great little fight that

Tackie was probably Rickys best 'boxing' performance so I picked it from memory. Yeah, he's holding in some of the clips but getting tangled up and fighting on the inside is a side effect of never taking a step back...and lets be honest, he's not the only one is he?

Ok so, you can't think of a fight where Ricky didn't hold and hit, is that correct?

You've seen clips of Ricks fights so how can you possibly know wether or not he does in every fight?






I could watch them again just to prove the point but I doubt your or I are about to sit through all the fights just to get bragging rights

Anyway, I'm illustrating that Miguel beating Quintana proves nothing about Miguels ability to hang at 147 or his ability to beat Hatton at either weight. Beating Quintana tells us one thing...that he can beat Quintana. That's it.

[bcollins]

You're kidding right? You're right I've only seen the fights on Hatton's website and the Collazo fight.
Are you honestly going to say Ricky did not hold and hit Tackie? Watch again.

Great little fight that

Tackie was probably Rickys best 'boxing' performance so I picked it from memory. Yeah, he's holding in some of the clips but getting tangled up and fighting on the inside is a side effect of never taking a step back...and lets be honest, he's not the only one is he?

Ok so, you can't think of a fight where Ricky didn't hold and hit, is that correct?

You've seen clips of Ricks fights so how can you possibly know wether or not he does in every fight?






I could watch them again just to prove the point but I doubt your or I are about to sit through all the fights just to get bragging rights

Anyway, I'm illustrating that Miguel beating Quintana proves nothing about Miguels ability to hang at 147 or his ability to beat Hatton at either weight. Beating Quintana tells us one thing...that he can beat Quintana. That's it.

Dead on! Transitivity never holds for boxing, so comparing resumes is pointless.

[killersheep]

You're kidding right? You're right I've only seen the fights on Hatton's website and the Collazo fight.
Are you honestly going to say Ricky did not hold and hit Tackie? Watch again.

Great little fight that

Tackie was probably Rickys best 'boxing' performance so I picked it from memory. Yeah, he's holding in some of the clips but getting tangled up and fighting on the inside is a side effect of never taking a step back...and lets be honest, he's not the only one is he?

Ok so, you can't think of a fight where Ricky didn't hold and hit, is that correct?

You've seen clips of Ricks fights so how can you possibly know wether or not he does in every fight?






I could watch them again just to prove the point but I doubt your or I are about to sit through all the fights just to get bragging rights

Anyway, I'm illustrating that Miguel beating Quintana proves nothing about Miguels ability to hang at 147 or his ability to beat Hatton at either weight. Beating Quintana tells us one thing...that he can beat Quintana. That's it.

I've only seen clips from like 8 or 9 of Ricky's fights, but I have yet to see one where he doesn't hold and hit, until someone shows me one that shows me the contrary, I won't change my mind.

And Miguel's ability to destroy a natural WW shows more than he can beat Quintana, it shows his skill set and power has not diminished on the move up. Hatton's move-up was not as impressive and until you see him fight someone else at WW (with adequate preperation of-course) I don't see how you could pick Hatton over Cotto at this point.

[hackey100]

It's funny how fast things change. Last week there were a few who though that Cotto was very good and now, bang, everyone thinks he's p4p material.
Is there a chance that Hatton is taking a bit more time before moving up. A Castillo fight would be quite lucritive and gain him respect. That would be next summer. Then, with nobody else left in the division he would move up, maybe a december fight next year at 147 with a big one in summer 2008. Cotto or Mayweather would then be the only fighters who would improve his career status.

So, to summarise:
January 07 Urango, easy fight, or should be .
July 07 Castillo.
Dec/Jan 07/08 a good 147lb fighter.
Summer 08 Career definer followed by rematch.
2009 Retired aged 30 45-0/44-1