Mike Tyson vs Muhammed ALI

[Kennibus420]

If Cassius Ali thinks hes the greatest then he would come out of retirement and challenge Lennox Lewis to a bout in England, but he wont cuz he's a p***y!Â

[ROCKY MARSHMELLOW]

Oh its ok for Tyson to get KOED to f*** but he was past his best .... Holyfield to get out boxed and made to look a fool but he was past his best .....  Then Lewis gets a 6th round stoppage win against Klistzscho weighing his heaviest ever for a fight at the end of his career and at the ripe old age of 39 and you try and disrespect him for it,  if Tyson beat Klitszcho now at the age of 38 I bet you would be having orgasm's you little ferret.Â


No Ali of this time ...    Thought you was going to say that.

And for the boring fights that Lewis has had that keep getting brought up, I would rather watch them than the pointless Tyson fights were he fights some bum and its over in the 1st round.

Check out, the Biggs, Golota, Morrison, Botha, Rahman, Biggs, Tucker, Mason, Ruddock, Grant, fights  they are far from boring !!

ok and which of those compares to a Frazier fights or norton ALi trilogy ..or a ALi foreman? or CLay -Liston 1-2?...or the chuvalo fight-2??...or when ALI destroyed williams in 3 rounds w/ only 3 recorded hits taken by ALI

LENNOX IS ABOUT A 1/2 Â A BOXING CAREER SHORT OF MEASURING UP TO ALI Style or carrerwise .... and as far as style i can name 3 boxers that Lewis resembles more than ALi so gove it up

and Tyson isnt being compared to ali !so YEA HES ALOUD TO GET KO'd

Hey its not my fault that Ali made hard work out of opponents,  Frazier would be done with in 5 rounds in with Lewis,  it would be a total miss match,  Foreman would simply get outboxed,  and it would be Foreman's weak chin that would go first from the pin point combo's !!

And yeah the Liston fights were superb    have you ever watched them ...... 6 rounds of pure tripe and a 1st round blag KO with a punch that practically never landed.  great.Â

All I am saying that there would be no need for Lewis to have that many fights with the calibre of Frazier, Norton and Foreman, he wouldn't mix it up with them like Ali did,  now if you take a look at Ali when he was 39 and take a look at Lewis,  hmmmmm I think I would take the Lewis option of totally outboxing them and taking a KO if it comes !!


Tyson aint getting compared to Ali ....   thats the name of the topic you big hairy spotty efferlump

Lewis Frazier in 5... WTF@!!!! Outbox Foreman.... weak chin HAHA.Â
39 hahah

That's it, this yank is calling it quits with this brit! No more, this is going nowhere, with someone who has no perspective on boxers. And belittling young Cassius' masterpiece with KO artist Liston, and saying that the second fight there was a Phantom punch!! The reason why it was so "phantom" is because it was too fast.

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If you think.....IF YOU THINK... Lennox could do all that AND MORE,
Lennox SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHAMP BEFORE THE AGE OF 22 and UNDEFEATED for a looong time (much like Joe Louis' reign, which was over 10 years being an Unbeaten Champ).Â

Rocky, He's freaking walking on water here! You make him sound like the Messiah of Heavyweight Boxing!

So anyone that says Tyson or Ali was the best ever then its ok ....... Listen Gyrokai or what ever your name is, you obivously have your head up Ali's ass that much you need beathing aparatus. You know fuck all about anything and I wouldn't be surprised if you actually thought what I was thinking and just wouldn't believe it.

Frazier and Foreman, fucking most over rated fighters ever, actually any fucking Ali opponent is by far to over rated, have you fuking watched Norton fight he is fucking poor, Frazier wasa 5ft 8 dwarf with 1 punch the left hook, Foreman made his name off beating that dwarf with them 2 wins, the first one looked blag as fuck, were Frazier does that silly jump on to his knee with the delayed reaction, FUCKING BLAG AS FUCK !!

Its like any fighter that fought with Ali is automatically fucking a great fighter, But Lewis's were all past their best or bums !!


Well sorry my Yankydoodledandy friends, he beat everyone that was there to be beat in his career and finished on the top unlike Ali !!

[ROCKY MARSHMELLOW]

You say Lewis should of been champ before he was 22 ..... what the fuck doe sthat have to do with anything Ali was 22 when he won the title ...... what the fuck does that have to do with anything, Lewis won it at 26 but could of easierly won it off Bowe a year or 2 earlier, just because Bowe wouldn't fight him because he knew he would of been beat up bad !!

And winning the title at a really young age didn't do Tyson any good, his career was practically over by the time he was 24 !!

[means2184]

1-Frazier was not 5'8 he was 5'11

2-Forman & Frazier both won gold medals

3-anyone who KO's Norton AND frazier in 2 rounds is not over rated
(considering they beat ALI indecisions

4-Frazier KO'd/tko'd jimmy ellis ,Jerry quarry ,bonovena,Buster mathis .....ALL VERY GOOD FIGHTERS....over rated?

5-"all frazier had was aleft hook"? maybe in the video games but not in real life (ko'd mathis w/ a right)

MARSHMELLOW YOUR A JOKE .....GO PLAY PLAYSTATION SOME MORE

NAME 2 FIGHTS THAT WERE OF THE EQUIVILENT OF ANY OF ALI'S SUPER FIGHTS HE WON.....

HOWMANY FIGHTS WAS LEWIS AN UNDERDOG AND WON??

HOW MANY TIMES DID LEWIS MAKE A SUCCESSFULL COMEBACK?

ERNIE TERREL WOULD HAVE DONE NOBETTER THAN LEWIS CONDSIDERING THEY BOX THE SAME

HOW CAN SOMEONE COMPARE LEWIS'S BRITTISH STYLE TO ALI? EXCEPT FOR A JAB & THAT THEY MOVE??

NEWS FLASH! ALL GOOD BOXERS "pinpoint" JAB's & MOVE THEYRE FEET MARSHMELLOW

I WOULD PUT MONEY ON IT THAT YOU CLEARLY HAVE NOT SEEN MANY FRAZIER/FOREMAN/LISTON FIGHTS.....LISTON LOOKED MORE LIKE ALI WHEN HE BOXED OUT A DESICION AGAINST WHITEHURST (A FIGHT I'M SURE YOU NEVER SAW ON ESPN CLASSIC)

[means2184]

the reason ali is great is he beat GREAT fighters ....some where great before he came into teh picture ...some nobody could picture ali beating ..but he did

LEWIS IS CONSIDERED BORING BECAUSE HE COULDNT STOP TUA
AND CAUSE HE GOT BEAT UP BY KLITSCHKO

SO WHAT IF HE CUT KLITSCHKO ...LEWIS ONLY WON 1 OF THE ROUNDS ...WHILE VITALI BOXED CIRCLES AROUND HIM LETTING HIS LEFT HANG LOW....but oh yea lewis is more like ALi?

[drgoodlooking]

In comparing all fighter's resumes, Ali beat better boxers than any of them. He had a lot of charisma too. Lewis is boring because for one, he is too arrogant. He promised Klitchko a rematch and then he reniged on it. We can't also forget that while people knock Tyson for the loses that he had to boxers like Buster Douglas, Lewis also got beat by Oliver McCall and would have got beaten again by him hadn't McCall broke down and had a fit!

[GlassJoe]

the Rock told us in the movie the Rundown, that Ali would beat tyson.

i guess that about sums it up :P

[ROCKY MARSHMELLOW]

In comparing all fighter's resumes, Ali beat better boxers than any of them. He had a lot of charisma too. Lewis is boring because for one, he is too arrogant. He promised Klitchko a rematch and then he reniged on it. We can't also forget that while people knock Tyson for the loses that he had to boxers like Buster Douglas, Lewis also got beat by Oliver McCall and would have got beaten again by him hadn't McCall broke down and had a fit!

This is the best I have seen ...... 1. I am not talking about personalities, We are talking about boxing

2. TUA .... name anyone that has stopped TUA, also did TUA win a round against Lewis, the fight was boring because TUA could not fight his fight, what do you expect Lewis to do have a inside fight with TUA when he has about 7inch height advantage and about 10 inch reach advantage, thats 1 boring fight, Roy Jones career has alot more boring fights, bitch about him

3. You go off the Klitszcho fight, Ok well Lewis got a 6 round stoppage and destroyed his face, at 39 years of age Lets see how Ali did in his last fight against Trevor Berbick at 38.

4. Now this is the best, MCcall would of beat Lewis if he had not broken down like a crying bitch, did you see that fight talk about getting your punched in .... LMAO Lewis and McCall could fight 100 times and McCall would only come away with that Lucky punch win and Lewis was up at 7 on his feet, Why was Holyfield allowed to carry on against Bowe when he was clearly fucked up but the Ref stopped Lewis straight away. Dodgey stoppage


Have you noticed something I don't slag Ali off, how could I, I am boxing fan. But you lot have got a bad serious problem with Lewis, If he was American you wouldn't be talking about him like that. Not a fucking chance, I think the fact that he retired on top unlike Ali and he beat every known Heavyweight in his era and from the last 15 years ... well the ones who had balls to face him, I think it really pisses you lot off !!

Face facts ....... He was the best of our time, and Because the size of him and the way he used his advantages to perfection, I find it hard to see anyone beating him, especially the Lewis that fought Golata and in the Rahman 2 fight.

1 more thing, I hear all the excuses in the world for Tyson and Holyfield and Ali... the Rahman defeat was Lewis not training for the fight properly and taking Rahman lightly. The rematch though........ people talk about Rocky Marciano's punch against Wallcott being the hardest ...... Bollox, That big right hand off Lewis that knocked Rahman out a round earlier than what Raman got aswell, one of the best punches ever, took his head clean off !! ....... What a class act !!

[Howlin Mad Missy]

the reason ali is great is he beat GREAT fighters ....some where great before he came into teh picture ...some nobody could picture ali beating ..but he did

LEWIS IS CONSIDERED BORING BECAUSE HE COULDNT STOP TUA
AND CAUSE HE GOT BEAT UP BY KLITSCHKO

SO WHAT IF HE CUT KLITSCHKO ...LEWIS ONLY WON 1 OF THE ROUNDS ...WHILE VITALI BOXED CIRCLES AROUND HIM LETTING HIS LEFT HANG LOW....but oh yea lewis is more like ALi?

I think your CAPS key if faulty.

Lewis never went to stop Tua he boxed him, just like the sport Boxing. Tua was ineffectual in the fight, go slag him off :

[drgoodlooking]

the Rock told us in the movie the Rundown, that Ali would beat tyson.

i guess that about sums it up  :P

Hey look everyone. It's Glass Joe from Mike Tyson's Punchout!

[means2184]

Marshmellow-"3. You go off the Klitszcho fight, Ok well Lewis got a 6 round stoppage and destroyed his face, at 39 years of age Lets see how Ali did in his last fight against Trevor Berbick at 38'

Ali had parkinsons his last 3 fighst so theres why he declined so fast from 35-on


All it takes is one punch to cut someone ...Lewis was being out punched & was slower than klitschko's was workin his "pin point" jabs & 1-2's while lewis through wide right hands & was (by Larry merchents opinion fatigued by the 4th round")

[drgoodlooking]

Marshmellow-"3. You go off the Klitszcho fight,  Ok well Lewis got a 6 round stoppage and destroyed his face, at 39 years of age  Lets see how Ali did in his last fight against Trevor Berbick at 38'

Ali had parkinsons his last 3 fighst so theres why he declined so fast from 35-on


All it takes is one punch to cut someone ...Lewis was being out punched & was slower than klitschko's was workin his "pin point" jabs & 1-2's while lewis through wide right hands & was (by Larry merchents opinion fatigued by the 4th round")

Then, Berbick only won a boring, no-knockdown, slim decision over 38 year old Ali. See what happened to him when he fought someone in good condition and in their prime. Tyson hit him and had him stumbling all over like a drunk man!

[gyrokai]

If you know anything about me, a yank, you know that I don't go for fighters because they are AMERICAN.

Don't make this an AMERICAN issue here! I like Ali because he's American!!! What the F*ck are you talking about! Kostya Tszyu, Vitaly Klitschko, Erik Morales, Rick Hatton are all up there on for my favorite fighters list. I'd rather see Kostya Tszyu fight than Bernard Hopkins. So, it's not about AMERICAN FIGHTERS! Amir Kahn B*tch! Bet you didn't know I'm pulling for him too!

Lennox is the best? Cool, that's your opinion, but the fact that you think I am pulling for Ali because he's American. That's totally judgemental.

You know what? I can see Lennox being the best. I really can. He fought and beat everybody, aside from the quick knockouts he's suffered. As a fight fan, to not acknowlege Ali's career as amazing or LEGENDARY is completely stupid. If your going to downplay his showings of Liston, Frazier, Norton, Foreman... You Obviously don't know your boxing history or have a perspective on the sport.

So I'm going to end this with, yes Lennox is the BEST, and I will acknowlege his reign as legendary. And this conversation is now ridiculous, because I think Ali is the best! So stop believing that yanks like Ali because he's a yank and that maybe, just maybe, they think he's the best because he was a badass.

For the arguments.

[ROCKY MARSHMELLOW]

Marshmellow-"3. You go off the Klitszcho fight,  Ok well Lewis got a 6 round stoppage and destroyed his face, at 39 years of age  Lets see how Ali did in his last fight against Trevor Berbick at 38'

Ali had parkinsons his last 3 fighst so theres why he declined so fast from 35-on


All it takes is one punch to cut someone ...Lewis was being out punched & was slower than klitschko's was workin his "pin point" jabs & 1-2's while lewis through wide right hands & was (by Larry merchents opinion fatigued by the 4th round")

Excuses again, why is there always a excuse. But Lewis has a couple of dodgey rounds in a fight and its like the end of the world. Lewis beat the next top heavyweight at 39, no other champion has retired in that way, Marciano retired after beating a old man. Ali retired not been able to speak and looking pathetic in the ring !!

Lewis beat Klitzscho in 6 rounds, Klitszcho's face just could not handle them booming uppercuts and the big right hands, Lewis didn't even throw any jabs in this fight, he didn't need to... He knew he was the better man, and anyone who knows boxing a little bit know's Lewis was the man, not alot of yanks like to admit like, but still I know the truth !!


Oi you fucking yank FUCK ..... Its a well known fact that you fucking Yanks hate Lewis, all your boxers fucking dodged him enough, and then when he boxed Holyfield's head clean off for 12 rounds you YANK fucks pull out the worst decision ever !!

So I never said you like fighters that are american ... I said you dont like Lewis because he was British and he was the best. Look at the facts and the record books..... Your poor excuse's dont mean shit, and thats all they are poor excuse's. Sad cunt

[gyrokai]

Yes, a lot of Americans are self-righteous. Also, a lot of Americans today hate Ali. They hate him for not fighting in the Vietnam war.

I see your point. Ok?

If heavyweights keep getting bigger, it's going to be ridiculous to compare Marciano, Ali, Dempsy, and Lewis. It's all going to boil to pound-for-pound heavweight arguements. I like Ali for his story, he just kept winning, blows everybody away, coming back from exile, winning again, fight of the century he lost, has another comeback, keeps winning, another comeback, then KO's Big George in eight. Can't get any more dynamic than that in my opinion.

Lewis can be the best, there I said it!

And means, all those coolclicks are probably from me, because I think your right for the most part.
Sorry for not arguing till the end, but I can only argue for only two or three thread pages.