HBO Fight night:Berto/Forbes & Mosley/Mayorga

[Spicoli]

Shane i dont think wanted to hold but Morgay kept tackling the guy.

Right,I dont think we can over look that.He really brought some physicality into it with rushes and shoulders.He is very crude and awkward and was just as effective with his body as his fists in some spots.

Mosley had him zeroed otherwise past the midway mark.

[C-Lo]

I had the fight even at the 8th round but Mosley did win the rounds towards the end. If anyone can make a case for Mayorga in the last couple of rounds it would be the 10th but even I couldn't definitively give it to him.

[Diane]

Oct 4th is insane...Angulo/Tsurkan Nice match up.

Im betting Mosley fights Berto.I like Mosley,styles make fights.

Plus, don't forget that during the afternoon we'll get to see Abraham vs Marquez.

And some how also fit in Juan Manuel Lopez vs. Cesar Figueroa as well.

Great day of boxing there.

[ICB]

No offense but anyone who had Mayorga winning this fight is crazy IMO, Mayorga was missing majority of his punches, where as Mosley was landing effective clean punches. The fight was close at one point but Mosley pulled away in the later rounds, to have a comfortable lead going into the 12th round.

It was a very close fight. As to Mayorga missing punches he caught Mosely flush several times, the HBO team just refused to even comment when he landed.

One of the most biased telecasts I've ever seen imo.

I have no problem with Mosely winning had it needed to go to the cards, but no way did he win that by more than a couple rounds.

He seemed to gas from the 7th to the 9th rounds and it was close over the final rounds until Mayorga got KO'd at the end.

Mayorga won the first 2 as well imo.

You could make a case for Mayorga being ahead imo, it was one of those fights that could have gone either way.

Mosely clearly landed the crisper punches over the course of the fight but its scored on a rbr basis and there were many rounds where Shane did nothing.

I'm interested to hear how the official judges, who didn't have the benefit of the HBO commentary scored it.

Well Bilbo i couldn't disagree more mate even though Mosley went to sleep at times.

Mayorga himself wasn't doing a whole lot with his 1 punch and grab style. Mayorga actually was missing a ton of punches.

I think you guys need to rewatch the fight Mosley was catching Mayorga coming in all the time. And Mayorga would try and fight back, but his wild punches and wild flurries were missing constantly.

I think Mayorga did make it competitive no question he made it a very physical fight. But his connect percentage was very low, and i think he was trying to fool the judges with his wild flurries/punches, which were actually ineffective.

And by the replies we have got here it looks like he has also fooled few of you on here aswell. I suggest you watch the fight again guys, no way possible was Mayorga ahead in that fight.

[Kev]

Here is the ESPN card


ESPN.com's Unofficial scorecard Round 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 Total Mosley 9 9 9 10 10 10 10 9 10 10 10

Mayorga 10 10 10 9 9 9 9 10 9 9 9



I'd say that was pretty accurate, although I gave Mosely the 3rd and Mayorga the 7th if I recall.

A competitve fight for sure.

[Gandalf]

No offense but anyone who had Mayorga winning this fight is crazy IMO, Mayorga was missing majority of his punches, where as Mosley was landing effective clean punches. The fight was close at one point but Mosley pulled away in the later rounds, to have a comfortable lead going into the 12th round.

It was a very close fight. As to Mayorga missing punches he caught Mosely flush several times, the HBO team just refused to even comment when he landed.

One of the most biased telecasts I've ever seen imo.

I have no problem with Mosely winning had it needed to go to the cards, but no way did he win that by more than a couple rounds.

He seemed to gas from the 7th to the 9th rounds and it was close over the final rounds until Mayorga got KO'd at the end.

Mayorga won the first 2 as well imo.

You could make a case for Mayorga being ahead imo, it was one of those fights that could have gone either way.

Mosely clearly landed the crisper punches over the course of the fight but its scored on a rbr basis and there were many rounds where Shane did nothing.

I'm interested to hear how the official judges, who didn't have the benefit of the HBO commentary scored it.

I can't really disagree with that. I'm well pissed off because I like Mayorga and it really seemed he had a chance to pull it off. Mosley looked old and not with the program for far too many rounds.

It was ugly but it was working for Mayorga and too frequently Mosley looked at a loss with how to deal with it.

I watched it with Korean commentary and so wasnt influenced by commentary bias and had no access to any punch stats. It was unboubtably neck and neck going into that last round.

[Spicoli]

Oct 4th is insane...Angulo/Tsurkan Nice match up.

Im betting Mosley fights Berto.I like Mosley,styles make fights.

Plus, don't forget that during the afternoon we'll get to see Abraham vs Marquez.

And some how also fit in Juan Manuel Lopez vs. Cesar Figueroa as well.

Great day of boxing there.

Poor Marquez.Love Raul but this might be rated X by nights end.Is it same day tape ?

[ICB]

Here's the punch stats.

Mosley total punches: 144/397
Mayorga total punches: 73/588

Mosley power punches: 99/214
Mayorga power punches: 68/429

Even though punchstats can sometimes be misleading. I don't think they are in this case. Mayorga threw alot of ineffective wild punches, which were missing. Where as Mosley landed sharp/clean accurate counter shots, and these punchstats basically prove my point.

[Kev]

No offense but anyone who had Mayorga winning this fight is crazy IMO, Mayorga was missing majority of his punches, where as Mosley was landing effective clean punches. The fight was close at one point but Mosley pulled away in the later rounds, to have a comfortable lead going into the 12th round.

It was a very close fight. As to Mayorga missing punches he caught Mosely flush several times, the HBO team just refused to even comment when he landed.

One of the most biased telecasts I've ever seen imo.

I have no problem with Mosely winning had it needed to go to the cards, but no way did he win that by more than a couple rounds.

He seemed to gas from the 7th to the 9th rounds and it was close over the final rounds until Mayorga got KO'd at the end.

Mayorga won the first 2 as well imo.

You could make a case for Mayorga being ahead imo, it was one of those fights that could have gone either way.

Mosely clearly landed the crisper punches over the course of the fight but its scored on a rbr basis and there were many rounds where Shane did nothing.

I'm interested to hear how the official judges, who didn't have the benefit of the HBO commentary scored it.

Well Bilbo i couldn't disagree more mate even though Mosley went to sleep at times.

Mayorga himself wasn't doing a whole lot with his 1 punch and grab style. Mayorga actually was missing a ton of punches.

I think you guys need to rewatch the fight Mosley was catching Mayorga coming in all the time. And Mayorga would try and fight back, but his wild punches and wild flurries were missing constantly.

I think Mayorga did make it competitive no question he made it a very physical fight. But his connect percentage was very low, and i think he was trying to fool the judges with his wild flurries/punches, which were actually ineffective.

And by the replies we have got here it looks like he has also fooled few of you on here aswell. I suggest you watch the fight again guys, no way possible was Mayorga ahead in that fight.

I suggest you read my posts again, I didn't say Mayorga won I said it was a competitive fight.

Mosely looked old tonight although he pulled it out the bag brilliantly at the end.

[bikersk]

Moseley was in front for sure

[ICB]

It was a very close fight. As to Mayorga missing punches he caught Mosely flush several times, the HBO team just refused to even comment when he landed.

One of the most biased telecasts I've ever seen imo.

I have no problem with Mosely winning had it needed to go to the cards, but no way did he win that by more than a couple rounds.

He seemed to gas from the 7th to the 9th rounds and it was close over the final rounds until Mayorga got KO'd at the end.

Mayorga won the first 2 as well imo.

You could make a case for Mayorga being ahead imo, it was one of those fights that could have gone either way.

Mosely clearly landed the crisper punches over the course of the fight but its scored on a rbr basis and there were many rounds where Shane did nothing.

I'm interested to hear how the official judges, who didn't have the benefit of the HBO commentary scored it.

Well Bilbo i couldn't disagree more mate even though Mosley went to sleep at times.

Mayorga himself wasn't doing a whole lot with his 1 punch and grab style. Mayorga actually was missing a ton of punches.

I think you guys need to rewatch the fight Mosley was catching Mayorga coming in all the time. And Mayorga would try and fight back, but his wild punches and wild flurries were missing constantly.

I think Mayorga did make it competitive no question he made it a very physical fight. But his connect percentage was very low, and i think he was trying to fool the judges with his wild flurries/punches, which were actually ineffective.

And by the replies we have got here it looks like he has also fooled few of you on here aswell. I suggest you watch the fight again guys, no way possible was Mayorga ahead in that fight.

I suggest you read my posts again, I didn't say Mayorga won I said it was a competitive fight.

Mosely looked old tonight although he pulled it out the bag brilliantly at the end.

That post wasn't directed at just you Bilbo thats why i said "guys".

[Kev]

Well Bilbo i couldn't disagree more mate even though Mosley went to sleep at times.

Mayorga himself wasn't doing a whole lot with his 1 punch and grab style. Mayorga actually was missing a ton of punches.

I think you guys need to rewatch the fight Mosley was catching Mayorga coming in all the time. And Mayorga would try and fight back, but his wild punches and wild flurries were missing constantly.

I think Mayorga did make it competitive no question he made it a very physical fight. But his connect percentage was very low, and i think he was trying to fool the judges with his wild flurries/punches, which were actually ineffective.

And by the replies we have got here it looks like he has also fooled few of you on here aswell. I suggest you watch the fight again guys, no way possible was Mayorga ahead in that fight.

I suggest you read my posts again, I didn't say Mayorga won I said it was a competitive fight.

Mosely looked old tonight although he pulled it out the bag brilliantly at the end.

That post wasn't directed at just you Bilbo thats why i said "guys".

No problem but don't suggest people watch it again like we don't know as much as you. It seems half the people on the board here are split as to how close the fight was, myself, Trainer Monkey, BZKFN, Miles etc all thought it was a close fight as did at least one judge it seems.

When opinion is split in such a way it's usually becuase it IS a close fight

[Diane]

Oct 4th is insane...Angulo/Tsurkan Nice match up.

Im betting Mosley fights Berto.I like Mosley,styles make fights.

Plus, don't forget that during the afternoon we'll get to see Abraham vs Marquez.

And some how also fit in Juan Manuel Lopez vs. Cesar Figueroa as well.

Great day of boxing there.

Poor Marquez.Love Raul but this might be rated X by nights end.Is it same day tape ?

No Abraham/Marquez is being shown by Integrated Sports PPV, so it will be shown live during the afternoon for us, but I think this will have to be a fight we'll have to watch by stream.

[ICB]

I suggest you read my posts again, I didn't say Mayorga won I said it was a competitive fight.

Mosely looked old tonight although he pulled it out the bag brilliantly at the end.

That post wasn't directed at just you Bilbo thats why i said "guys".

No problem but don't suggest people watch it again like we don't know as much as you. It seems half the people on the board here are split as to how close the fight was, myself, Trainer Monkey, BZKFN, Miles etc all thought it was a close fight as did at least one judge it seems.

When opinion is split in such a way it's usually becuase it IS a close fight

Not what i was implying mate i just think people didn't pay close enough attention on the inside.

Mayorga was outworking Mosley but wasn't landing, and even if a few of them got through here and there. They wern't very effective punches.

Im not saying Mosley won with ease i had it 7-4 to Mosley going into the 12th, and i had Mosley losing at one point. But as soon as Mosley got his straight right hand lead working especially countering with it.

He turned the fight around and then widen the gap in the later rounds IMO.

[Ghost]

I picked the winner and thats all that matters... All this bickering..