prime tyson vs prime lewis

[Gandalf]

I always thought Bruno and Rudduck were closer rivals to Tyson than Holyfield and Lewis....I mean he was never in those fights, he had no chance at winning.

Ive said to you before though Ice Cold, I dont really regard the post jail Tyson in the same esteem as the Tyson before the locked up years....

[El Kabong]

...doesn't matter to me the pre-jail Tyson never fought anyone good (closest were Bruno who hurt him bad, Tucker, and Green)

Tyson of any age of any year loses to Lewis and Holyfield


I just wanted to see Tyson-Bowe


and call me sadistic but Tyson-Rahman would have been decent too

[ICB]

razor ruddock vs tyson rematch was quite close to tyson won by 4 points just shame ruddock went down twice otherwise might of seen an upset but to be honest ruddock later in the fight took harder punches than the knockdown punches

[T.N.T]

only reason took him 8 rounds because lewis said himself he wanted to torture him a bit for what he said about his kids

Well Lewis didn't have any kids at the time so i dnt c y it bothered him and i read it was because lewis hit tyson so many times with the right hand he had to wait for the pain to numb untill he could use it with full power again. But i think the real reason is because he was worried incase he ran into a desperation haymaker from Tyson

[ICB]

he didnt why did tyson say he was going eat his children then ??

[T.N.T]

he didnt why did tyson say he was going eat his children then ??

Am not sure Tyson says a lot of things lol an am not trying to be funny or a smart ass by the way i just no he didnt have any at the time look it up if you wan't but i no he never he has only within the lasy year or so had a little boy. Peace out.

[ICB]

oh ok didnt know just assumed he had kids

[T.N.T]

I only no cuz am a tyson fanatic and have red about that fight over and over again. you must admit he took his beating like a man in that fight.

[ICB]

indeed

[lb4lb]

Many people bring in McCall and Douglas into this equation, but the reality is neither Lewis or Tyson took these fights as serious as they would have if they fought each other. This being said, Lewis would have gave up some earlier rounds, but would have figured out the one dimentional fighter in the end. Basically same result as their actual fight only 1 or 2 rounds longer.

Was prime Tyson one dimensional

Just illustrates my point that everybody thinks of the Tyson he became and not the fighter he was.

I do think he was a one dimentional fighter in his prime as well. I stongly feel that the quality of his opponents was not as great as most people think, until he ran into Evander and Lennox. Some of the names were popular at the time... They were not at or near their primes. (eg. Larry Holmes)

[BIG H]

Many people bring in McCall and Douglas into this equation, but the reality is neither Lewis or Tyson took these fights as serious as they would have if they fought each other. This being said, Lewis would have gave up some earlier rounds, but would have figured out the one dimentional fighter in the end. Basically same result as their actual fight only 1 or 2 rounds longer.

Was prime Tyson one dimensional

Just illustrates my point that everybody thinks of the Tyson he became and not the fighter he was.

I do think he was a one dimentional fighter in his prime as well. I stongly feel that the quality of his opponents was not as great as most people think, until he ran into Evander and Lennox. Some of the names were popular at the time... They were not at or near their primes. (eg. Larry Holmes)

Goes back to the argument about who did he duck between 86-89 (nobody) he fought tthe best there was, now that wasn't a great bunch of fighters, but was as good as the fighters that Louis, Dempsey, Marciano or most other "Great" Heavyweights fought. Can't blame a fighter because they stand out as being so much better than the rest of their era, that's what made them stand out and made the others look ordinary!

[ICB]

cant argue you with u there big h he didnt duck anybody only person prolly didnt fight is george foreman and tim witherspoon and maybe greg page

[The Whirlwind]

I hear you BIG H, Tyson did fight the best there was but the trouble is, the heavyweight division was, and has been pi$$ weak for a loooong time and he never fought anyone even remotely dangerous compared to the likes of Ali, Frazier, a young Foreman, Norton, a young Holmes, Ron lyle, Ernie Shavers, Jimmy Ellis, Henry cooper, and the list goes on.
We'll never know how good Tyson was or could have been but i very much doubt he would have been much in the 60's or 70's.
Good little guys rarely beat good big guys, and they never do it regularly.

[El Kabong]

You mentioned Henry Cooper with the likes of Frazier, Foreman, Norton, and Holmes

[BIG H]

I hear you BIG H, Tyson did fight the best there was but the trouble is, the heavyweight division was, and has been pi$$ weak for a loooong time and he never fought anyone even remotely dangerous compared to the likes of Ali, Frazier, a young Foreman, Norton, a young Holmes, Ron lyle, Ernie Shavers, Jimmy Ellis, Henry cooper, and the list goes on.
We'll never know how good Tyson was or could have been but i very much doubt he would have been much in the 60's or 70's.
Good little guys rarely beat good big guys, and they never do it regularly.

I agree with a lot of that, but you have to apply the same to most heavyweights in history, because almost every era has had just 1 dominant champ and the opposition has not been great or has been well past prime - Only exceptions are the Ali/Frazier/Foreman era - and the Holyfiled/Lewis/bowe era.