Who wins prime Lewis v prime Tyson?

[ICB]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

He beat Ruddock easily despite not using his earlier skills. Tillis was beaten handily and was an early opponent. Douglas was beaten by Tucker and yet beat Tyson easily. It does indicate a lack of training.

Prime Tyson beat Holmes and early. Nobody else did that. Lewis beat Tucker but was outboxed more than Tyson but when Tucker was far older.

2nd Ruddock fight was tough probably Tysons 3rd hardest fight of his career and i didn't really see any difference between the 86 to 88 version and 91 version its all nonsense that he had become headhunter if thats true then why did he break Ruddocks ribs ?? imo there wasn't really any difference its just Ruddock wasn't scared he came to fight and he was a bit unorthdox with his punches because he threw wild hooks shame he never worked on his jab Tillis was not beaten handily Tyson said himself the knockdown saved him and even though i don't like Tyson he doesn't normally bs about his opponents prime Tyson beat washed up inactive yes inactive that means not facing anyone for warm ups atleast when Tyson fought Holyfield he had warm up fights vs champions Holmes didn't plus he only had 2 weeks to train and Holmes still made good account of himself he was even all the way with Tyson until the knockdown as i said about Tucker that was prolly Tuckers best performance of his whole career yet Lewis still dropped him twice something Tyson couldn't do and it wasn't like Tucker was fading it or past it that i can recall anyway.

[Gandalf]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

He beat Ruddock easily despite not using his earlier skills. Tillis was beaten handily and was an early opponent. Douglas was beaten by Tucker and yet beat Tyson easily. It does indicate a lack of training.

Prime Tyson beat Holmes and early. Nobody else did that. Lewis beat Tucker but was outboxed more than Tyson but when Tucker was far older.

2nd Ruddock fight was tough probably Tysons 3rd hardest fight of his career and i didn't really see any difference between the 86 to 88 version its all nonsense that he had become headhunter if thats true then why did he break Ruddocks ribs ?? imo there wasn't really any difference its just Ruddock wasn't scared he came to fight and it was a bit strange with his punches because he threw wild hooks shame he never worked on his jab Tillis was not beaten handily Tyson said himself the knockdown saved him and even though i don't like Tyson he doesn't normally bs about his opponents prime Tyson beat washed up inactive yes inactive that means not facing anyone for warm ups atleast when Tyson fought Holyfield he had warm up fights vs champions Holmes didn't plus he only had 2 weeks to train and Holmes still made good account of himself he was even all the way with Tyson until the knockdown as i said about Tucker that was prolly Tuckers best performance of his whole career yet Lewis still dropped him twice something Tyson couldn't do and it wasn't like Tucker was fading it or past it that i can recall anyway.

You just said outright "I dont like Tyson".

You then bring up Tyson post jail...we all know that aint "Prime" Tyson

Holmes made a great acount of himself. He was knocked senseless!

How exactly does Lewis beat Tyson?!

[ICB]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

He beat Ruddock easily despite not using his earlier skills. Tillis was beaten handily and was an early opponent. Douglas was beaten by Tucker and yet beat Tyson easily. It does indicate a lack of training.

Prime Tyson beat Holmes and early. Nobody else did that. Lewis beat Tucker but was outboxed more than Tyson but when Tucker was far older.

2nd Ruddock fight was tough probably Tysons 3rd hardest fight of his career and i didn't really see any difference between the 86 to 88 version its all nonsense that he had become headhunter if thats true then why did he break Ruddocks ribs ?? imo there wasn't really any difference its just Ruddock wasn't scared he came to fight and it was a bit strange with his punches because he threw wild hooks shame he never worked on his jab Tillis was not beaten handily Tyson said himself the knockdown saved him and even though i don't like Tyson he doesn't normally bs about his opponents prime Tyson beat washed up inactive yes inactive that means not facing anyone for warm ups atleast when Tyson fought Holyfield he had warm up fights vs champions Holmes didn't plus he only had 2 weeks to train and Holmes still made good account of himself he was even all the way with Tyson until the knockdown as i said about Tucker that was prolly Tuckers best performance of his whole career yet Lewis still dropped him twice something Tyson couldn't do and it wasn't like Tucker was fading it or past it that i can recall anyway.

You just said outright "I dont like Tyson".

You then bring up Tyson post jail...we all know that aint "Prime" Tyson

Holmes made a great acount of himself. He was knocked senseless!

How exactly does Lewis beat Tyson?!

Yes i did say that but i also said Tyson don't normally bs about his opponents regarding aka Tillis and did you read what i actually said ?? i said Ruddock fights that wasn't when he went to prison and there is no real difference between 91 version or late 80s version and just because someone got koed that doesn't mean they can't give good account of themselves before the ko... and like i said Lewis is big tall good skills good jab imo he has height reach and skills to beat Tyson.

[Tysonbruno]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

You have excuses for Holmes and why he got knocked cold by Tyson

[Gandalf]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

He beat Ruddock easily despite not using his earlier skills. Tillis was beaten handily and was an early opponent. Douglas was beaten by Tucker and yet beat Tyson easily. It does indicate a lack of training.

Prime Tyson beat Holmes and early. Nobody else did that. Lewis beat Tucker but was outboxed more than Tyson but when Tucker was far older.

2nd Ruddock fight was tough probably Tysons 3rd hardest fight of his career and i didn't really see any difference between the 86 to 88 version its all nonsense that he had become headhunter if thats true then why did he break Ruddocks ribs ?? imo there wasn't really any difference its just Ruddock wasn't scared he came to fight and it was a bit strange with his punches because he threw wild hooks shame he never worked on his jab Tillis was not beaten handily Tyson said himself the knockdown saved him and even though i don't like Tyson he doesn't normally bs about his opponents prime Tyson beat washed up inactive yes inactive that means not facing anyone for warm ups atleast when Tyson fought Holyfield he had warm up fights vs champions Holmes didn't plus he only had 2 weeks to train and Holmes still made good account of himself he was even all the way with Tyson until the knockdown as i said about Tucker that was prolly Tuckers best performance of his whole career yet Lewis still dropped him twice something Tyson couldn't do and it wasn't like Tucker was fading it or past it that i can recall anyway.

You just said outright "I dont like Tyson".

You then bring up Tyson post jail...we all know that aint "Prime" Tyson

Holmes made a great acount of himself. He was knocked senseless!

How exactly does Lewis beat Tyson?!

Yes i did say that but i also said Tyson don't normally bs about his opponents regarding aka Tillis and did you read what i actually said ?? i said Ruddock fights that wasn't when he went to prison and there is no real difference between 91 version or late 80s version and jsut because someone got koed that doesn't mean they can't give good account of themselves before the ko... and like i said Lewis is big tall good skills good jab imo he has height reach and skills to beat Tyson.

He beat Ruddock handily both times. There is a huge difference between prime Tyson and the 90's incarnation.

Tucker was tall and rangey and was beaten with ease....and in his Prime....

You suggest a quota to beat Tyson, a little bit more is needed....

[ICB]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

You have excuses for Holmes and why he got knocked cold by Tyson

A legimate excuse that he was past and it and hadn't fought any warm up opponents thats legimate excuse and had been out of boxing for 2 years not someone that is 22 or 23 and is past it when he is champion....

[Trainer Monkey]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

You have excuses for Holmes and why he got knocked cold by Tyson

Youd think being 39,and out of boxing for two years,fighting against the heavy weight champ,would be about the best excuse you could come up with short of the mob holding your mom and gunpoint

[ICB]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

He beat Ruddock easily despite not using his earlier skills. Tillis was beaten handily and was an early opponent. Douglas was beaten by Tucker and yet beat Tyson easily. It does indicate a lack of training.

Prime Tyson beat Holmes and early. Nobody else did that. Lewis beat Tucker but was outboxed more than Tyson but when Tucker was far older.

2nd Ruddock fight was tough probably Tysons 3rd hardest fight of his career and i didn't really see any difference between the 86 to 88 version its all nonsense that he had become headhunter if thats true then why did he break Ruddocks ribs ?? imo there wasn't really any difference its just Ruddock wasn't scared he came to fight and it was a bit strange with his punches because he threw wild hooks shame he never worked on his jab Tillis was not beaten handily Tyson said himself the knockdown saved him and even though i don't like Tyson he doesn't normally bs about his opponents prime Tyson beat washed up inactive yes inactive that means not facing anyone for warm ups atleast when Tyson fought Holyfield he had warm up fights vs champions Holmes didn't plus he only had 2 weeks to train and Holmes still made good account of himself he was even all the way with Tyson until the knockdown as i said about Tucker that was prolly Tuckers best performance of his whole career yet Lewis still dropped him twice something Tyson couldn't do and it wasn't like Tucker was fading it or past it that i can recall anyway.

You just said outright "I dont like Tyson".

You then bring up Tyson post jail...we all know that aint "Prime" Tyson

Holmes made a great acount of himself. He was knocked senseless!

How exactly does Lewis beat Tyson?!

Yes i did say that but i also said Tyson don't normally bs about his opponents regarding aka Tillis and did you read what i actually said ?? i said Ruddock fights that wasn't when he went to prison and there is no real difference between 91 version or late 80s version and jsut because someone got koed that doesn't mean they can't give good account of themselves before the ko... and like i said Lewis is big tall good skills good jab imo he has height reach and skills to beat Tyson.

He beat Ruddock handily both times. There is a huge difference between prime Tyson and the 90's incarnation.

Tucker was tall and rangey and was beaten with ease....and in his Prime....

You suggest a quota to beat Tyson, a little bit more is needed....

He was still hurt by Ruddock numerous times and it was very tough nights work both times and there isn't really no difference between early 90s one or late 80s one tell me what is so different ?? maybe his headmovement was tad better in late 80s but thats about it and Tucker was tall and rangey and won 4 rounds Lewis is alot better than Tucker and he would win 7 or 8 rounds.

[Tysonbruno]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

You have excuses for Holmes and why he got knocked cold by Tyson

A legimate excuse that he was past and it and hadn't fought any warm up opponents thats legimate excuse and had been out of boxing for 2 years not someone that is 22 or 23 and is past it when he is champion....

He were'nt that past it plus he went on to do good against Holyfield,McCall and more yet in all his career he never got beat like Tyson beat him i think because your ot a tyson fan at all your pro Lewis

[Gandalf]

Ice admits an agenda by simply not liking Tyson. That is not how you analyse boxers.

[ICB]

Just to end the debate you can't win with the Tyson fans because every struggle or loss he has there is always an excuse if i mention Ruddock he is past it if i mention Tillis he hadn't peaked if i mention Douglas he hadn't trained if i mention Bruno he was fading so when exactly was his prime two fights against the mediocre Berbick or natural lightheavyweight Spinks who was bricking it ??

You have excuses for Holmes and why he got knocked cold by Tyson

A legimate excuse that he was past and it and hadn't fought any warm up opponents thats legimate excuse and had been out of boxing for 2 years not someone that is 22 or 23 and is past it when he is champion....

He were'nt that past it plus he went on to do good against Holyfield,McCall and more yet in all his career he never got beat like Tyson beat him i think because your ot a tyson fan at all your pro Lewis

Yes he was past it difference is with Holyfield and Oliver fights he had time to train he was active alot different from being out of boxing 2 years having 2 weeks to train and being on a losing streak and no im not Tyson fan i hate his actions inside and outside ring and actually i have said bad things about Lewis before i had debate with Memphis and BIG H about Lewis but your boy Tyson is active and champion yet he is out of his prime when he is in his early 20s ...

[Punisher136]

As i've said previously, after studing his early fights closely i can tell you that tyson was starting to decline by the end of his 19 fight ko streak. Winning the belts lifted his fighting level up to what it previously was but after douglas he was done. I think a Prime tyson is a handful for anybody and i'm talking prime prime. If lewis can stay away from him he wins. I'm leaning toward tyson by late ko (if mccall and rahman can drop lewis so can tyson) but it really could go either way.

[Tysonbruno]

And wheres this he only had 2 week to train come from

[ICB]

Ice admits an agenda by simply not liking Tyson. That is not how you analyse boxers.

Uhh i don't judge fighters on if i like them you know better than that Miles i don't like Tyson yet i still have him beating Marciano and other greats i didn't like Pryors antics either yet he is high in my rankings yes i did admit i don't like Tyson i don't think most people would like him after what he has done ... but i still admit he was very skillful its just im not one of those people who thinks Tyson is unbeatable in his prime which he isn't and amount of excuses this guy has is just unreal.

[ICB]

And wheres this he only had 2 week to train come from

Read up on it im sure it was only 2 weeks or 3 weeks something around there.