Abraham - Dirrell fight thread

[ninjaspy3]

Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

Fine, if you think he was acting but that doesnt change the fact a fighter cannot hit another fighter who fell down. And the shot was a good one.

Facts:

Dirrell was hit with a good shot while down
This action could -only- help Dirrell to lose

Man, acting or not, he was totally at a disadvantage after that. He would have gone on just to get KOd. To me this is an aobvious one. The illeagal hit simply changed the game too much for the fight to have gone on fairly.

And that is what Im trying to convey here. Surely you must understand this.
You obviously wanted to see him get up and fight, but that outcome would have been 100% bad for Dirrell although perhaps entertaining for you.

[GAME]

Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

Fine, if you think he was acting but that doesnt change the fact a fighter cannot hit another fighter who fell down. And the shot was a good one.

Facts:

Dirrell was hit with a good shot while down
This action could -only- help Dirrell to lose

Man, acting or not, he was totally at a disadvantage after that. He would have gone on just to get KOd. To me this is an aobvious one. The illeagal hit simply changed the game too much for the fight to have gone on fairly.

And that is what Im trying to convey here. Surely you must understand this.
You obviously wanted to see him get up and fight, but that outcome would have been 100% bad for Dirrell although perhaps entertaining for you.

Yeah I wanted to see him get up and fight on like Haye and Marquez did after they were hit when they were down. Direl had it in him to act so he had it in him to go on. Griffin is the only other guy who took the cowards way out and the general feeling was that he was acting aswel.

[ono]

They were interviewing the doctor while you could see Andre in the background still flapping his lips, spouting out utter nonsense.
The doctor was like: "We are worried that his brain might be bleeding..."

Then shouldn't you be f*cking attending to him instead of discussing it on TV?

What a circus.

There's fuck all wrong with him thats why. What a drama.

I've never seen anything like it. Get hit, acknowledge the shot, hold your nose, wait 1 second, go to the ground, roll around a little, move your head from side to side (adds to the realism) and then make your leg shake.

He said he thought he'd been ko'd, then he said he'd been hit while he was down. Seems to have a perfect recollection of it, considering it almost killed him.

[generalbulldog]

Hey guys I just saw the Tyrell Biggs-Mike Tyson fight a few days ago again. Tyson hits Biggs on the side of the head when the ref was breaking them up.
I sure wonder if Biggs did a Direll/Griffen would Tyson have been disqualified also?

At the 1:15 mark of the video. Biggs should have acted also, he could have been the 1st person to beat Tyson by DQ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nNsw...eature=related

[ninjaspy3]

Hey guys I just saw the Tyrell Biggs-Mike Tyson fight a few days ago again. Tyson hits Biggs on the side of the head when the ref was breaking them up.
I sure wonder if Biggs did a Direll/Griffen would Tyson have been disqualified also?

At the 1:15 mark of the video. Biggs should have acted also, he could have been the 1st person to beat Tyson by DQ.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nNsw...eature=related

Uhh

Getting hit on the side of the head DOES NOT equal to getting hit clean while you are down.

[Majesty]

Yeah Im relieved this morning that I havent woken up to the news that Direll has suffered overnight and his condition got worse. I still think he was acting though because everyone kept telling him he won but he didnt listen. It was as if he was overacting and thought he had to stick with it. Silly moves like Abs but he probably though Direll would get on with it like other fighters do when they are hit when they are down.

Jones - Griffin is the only other example I can think of where the winner saw an opportunity to end another guys unbeaten run with a DQ win. We know what happend in that return.

Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

You're reaching, extremely to try to keep the belief that he was faking.

[Majesty]

They were interviewing the doctor while you could see Andre in the background still flapping his lips, spouting out utter nonsense.
The doctor was like: "We are worried that his brain might be bleeding..."

Then shouldn't you be f*cking attending to him instead of discussing it on TV?

What a circus.

There's fuck all wrong with him thats why. What a drama.

I've never seen anything like it. Get hit, acknowledge the shot, hold your nose, wait 1 second, go to the ground, roll around a little, move your head from side to side (adds to the realism) and then make your leg shake.

He said he thought he'd been ko'd, then he said he'd been hit while he was down. Seems to have a perfect recollection of it, considering it almost killed him.

You have either never had a head injury or know what a delayed reaction is.

Gerald McClennan was hit the same kinda way and it wasnt when he was knocked down, but he had adelayed and grabbed his head in the same fashion when he had a delayed reaction to go down in the Nigel Benn fight.

In the Roy Jones vs Trinidad fight he hit him with a shot to the side of the head and Tito bounced around for a second before falling down. was Trinidad faking?

Dirrell got buzzed badly. And it's a good thing the fight was stopped.

Nothing you can come up with to try to diss Dirrell for what you think was acting doesn't take away from Abraham putting himself in that position.

You in one breath are saying he is acting and saying he thought he was KO'd so he must remember it. If he was KO'd and acknowledged it then he wouldn't be faking it would he?

Some of you people just refuse to accept that he wasn't faking because you've never seen a delayed reaction. There is a lot of info in this topic about head injuries, I suggest you read up on them.

Abraham acted like a bigger bitch then you could ever accuse Dirrell of being.

And the fact people are actually trying to find a reason to bash Dirrell for being potentially seriously injured shows how close minded some people are when they favor one fighter. It's a sad sight.

And if a story comes out that he was severely concussed then how stupid are you all gonna feel?

Is it gonna have to take another fighter to die in the ring before you're satisfied? Does another Leavander Johnson have to happen before you realize how serious people can be injured in the ring?

There is no faking the way his head spun from a shot he didn't see and trying to say he took the same amount of damage the whole fight is despicable.

[ono]

They were interviewing the doctor while you could see Andre in the background still flapping his lips, spouting out utter nonsense.
The doctor was like: "We are worried that his brain might be bleeding..."

Then shouldn't you be f*cking attending to him instead of discussing it on TV?

What a circus.

There's fuck all wrong with him thats why. What a drama.

I've never seen anything like it. Get hit, acknowledge the shot, hold your nose, wait 1 second, go to the ground, roll around a little, move your head from side to side (adds to the realism) and then make your leg shake.

He said he thought he'd been ko'd, then he said he'd been hit while he was down. Seems to have a perfect recollection of it, considering it almost killed him.

You have either never had a head injury or know what a delayed reaction is.

Gerald McClennan was hit the same kinda way and it wasnt when he was knocked down, but he had adelayed and grabbed his head in the same fashion when he had a delayed reaction to go down in the Nigel Benn fight.

In the Roy Jones vs Trinidad fight he hit him with a shot to the side of the head and Tito bounced around for a second before falling down. was Trinidad faking?

Dirrell got buzzed badly. And it's a good thing the fight was stopped.

Nothing you can come up with to try to diss Dirrell for what you think was acting doesn't take away from Abraham putting himself in that position.

You in one breath are saying he is acting and saying he thought he was KO'd so he must remember it. If he was KO'd and acknowledged it then he wouldn't be faking it would he?

Some of you people just refuse to accept that he wasn't faking because you've never seen a delayed reaction. There is a lot of info in this topic about head injuries, I suggest you read up on them.

Abraham acted like a bigger bitch then you could ever accuse Dirrell of being.

And the fact people are actually trying to find a reason to bash Dirrell for being potentially seriously injured shows how close minded some people are when they favor one fighter. It's a sad sight.

And if a story comes out that he was severely concussed then how stupid are you all gonna feel?

Is it gonna have to take another fighter to die in the ring before you're satisfied? Does another Leavander Johnson have to happen before you realize how serious people can be injured in the ring?

There is no faking the way his head spun from a shot he didn't see and trying to say he took the same amount of damage the whole fight is despicable.

There's nothing you can say that will make me believe otherwise. Dirrell shit out.

There might be a story to say he was severely concussed, but it would be false, because he wasn't.

When he took the punch, he looked back at Abraham as if to say WTF, then he squinted/grimaced, touched his nose, and then fell sideways. absolutely no way a fighter pauses a second after being hit, grimaces, touches his nose and then drops, when he's been actually ko'd.

I agree, Abraham shouldn't have hit him but from the post fight interview it was clear to me that Abraham seemed to believe that Dirrell might have actually had both feet planted on the floor. When asked about it in the interview he pointed out that he couldn't see, and i believe he was going to go on and say dirrell's feet were planted (the camera shot that Arthur was looking at didn't show Dirrell's feet). Unfortunately the idiot who was interviewing began speaking over him saying 'you couldn't see because there was blood in your eyes'.

Absolute joke. Even bigger joke how American TV went all along with it, and further dramatised it by having an interview with the Dr in Dirrell's changing room. Talking about his brain bleeding. From an arm punch that didn't land all that cleanly. Pathetic

[ninjaspy3]

There's fuck all wrong with him thats why. What a drama.

I've never seen anything like it. Get hit, acknowledge the shot, hold your nose, wait 1 second, go to the ground, roll around a little, move your head from side to side (adds to the realism) and then make your leg shake.

He said he thought he'd been ko'd, then he said he'd been hit while he was down. Seems to have a perfect recollection of it, considering it almost killed him.

You have either never had a head injury or know what a delayed reaction is.

Gerald McClennan was hit the same kinda way and it wasnt when he was knocked down, but he had adelayed and grabbed his head in the same fashion when he had a delayed reaction to go down in the Nigel Benn fight.

In the Roy Jones vs Trinidad fight he hit him with a shot to the side of the head and Tito bounced around for a second before falling down. was Trinidad faking?

Dirrell got buzzed badly. And it's a good thing the fight was stopped.

Nothing you can come up with to try to diss Dirrell for what you think was acting doesn't take away from Abraham putting himself in that position.

You in one breath are saying he is acting and saying he thought he was KO'd so he must remember it. If he was KO'd and acknowledged it then he wouldn't be faking it would he?

Some of you people just refuse to accept that he wasn't faking because you've never seen a delayed reaction. There is a lot of info in this topic about head injuries, I suggest you read up on them.

Abraham acted like a bigger bitch then you could ever accuse Dirrell of being.

And the fact people are actually trying to find a reason to bash Dirrell for being potentially seriously injured shows how close minded some people are when they favor one fighter. It's a sad sight.

And if a story comes out that he was severely concussed then how stupid are you all gonna feel?

Is it gonna have to take another fighter to die in the ring before you're satisfied? Does another Leavander Johnson have to happen before you realize how serious people can be injured in the ring?

There is no faking the way his head spun from a shot he didn't see and trying to say he took the same amount of damage the whole fight is despicable.

There's nothing you can say that will make me believe otherwise. Dirrell shit out.

There might be a story to say he was severely concussed, but it would be false, because he wasn't.

When he took the punch, he looked back at Abraham as if to say WTF, then he squinted/grimaced, touched his nose, and then fell sideways. absolutely no way a fighter pauses a second after being hit, grimaces, touches his nose and then drops, when he's been actually ko'd.

I agree, Abraham shouldn't have hit him but from the post fight interview it was clear to me that Abraham seemed to believe that Dirrell might have actually had both feet planted on the floor. When asked about it in the interview he pointed out that he couldn't see, and i believe he was going to go on and say dirrell's feet were planted (the camera shot that Arthur was looking at didn't show Dirrell's feet). Unfortunately the idiot who was interviewing began speaking over him saying 'you couldn't see because there was blood in your eyes'.

Absolute joke. Even bigger joke how American TV went all along with it, and further dramatised it by having an interview with the Dr in Dirrell's changing room. Talking about his brain bleeding. From an arm punch that didn't land all that cleanly. Pathetic

Well, you know what they say about opinions...

Anyway, how do you agree but then immediately start excusing the incident?

Im sure Abaraham must have found it pretty strange to have to aim so low to hit Dirrells head if Dirrell's feet were supposedly planted. (planted where? under the ring? ha)

[ono]

You have either never had a head injury or know what a delayed reaction is.

Gerald McClennan was hit the same kinda way and it wasnt when he was knocked down, but he had adelayed and grabbed his head in the same fashion when he had a delayed reaction to go down in the Nigel Benn fight.

In the Roy Jones vs Trinidad fight he hit him with a shot to the side of the head and Tito bounced around for a second before falling down. was Trinidad faking?

Dirrell got buzzed badly. And it's a good thing the fight was stopped.

Nothing you can come up with to try to diss Dirrell for what you think was acting doesn't take away from Abraham putting himself in that position.

You in one breath are saying he is acting and saying he thought he was KO'd so he must remember it. If he was KO'd and acknowledged it then he wouldn't be faking it would he?

Some of you people just refuse to accept that he wasn't faking because you've never seen a delayed reaction. There is a lot of info in this topic about head injuries, I suggest you read up on them.

Abraham acted like a bigger bitch then you could ever accuse Dirrell of being.

And the fact people are actually trying to find a reason to bash Dirrell for being potentially seriously injured shows how close minded some people are when they favor one fighter. It's a sad sight.

And if a story comes out that he was severely concussed then how stupid are you all gonna feel?

Is it gonna have to take another fighter to die in the ring before you're satisfied? Does another Leavander Johnson have to happen before you realize how serious people can be injured in the ring?

There is no faking the way his head spun from a shot he didn't see and trying to say he took the same amount of damage the whole fight is despicable.

There's nothing you can say that will make me believe otherwise. Dirrell shit out.

There might be a story to say he was severely concussed, but it would be false, because he wasn't.

When he took the punch, he looked back at Abraham as if to say WTF, then he squinted/grimaced, touched his nose, and then fell sideways. absolutely no way a fighter pauses a second after being hit, grimaces, touches his nose and then drops, when he's been actually ko'd.

I agree, Abraham shouldn't have hit him but from the post fight interview it was clear to me that Abraham seemed to believe that Dirrell might have actually had both feet planted on the floor. When asked about it in the interview he pointed out that he couldn't see, and i believe he was going to go on and say dirrell's feet were planted (the camera shot that Arthur was looking at didn't show Dirrell's feet). Unfortunately the idiot who was interviewing began speaking over him saying 'you couldn't see because there was blood in your eyes'.

Absolute joke. Even bigger joke how American TV went all along with it, and further dramatised it by having an interview with the Dr in Dirrell's changing room. Talking about his brain bleeding. From an arm punch that didn't land all that cleanly. Pathetic

Well, you know what they say about opinions...

Anyway, how do you agree but then immediately start excusing the incident?

Im sure Abaraham must have found it pretty strange to have to aim so low to hit Dirrells head if Dirrell's feet were supposedly planted. (planted where? under the ring? ha)

No i'm saying that imo he shouldn't have hit him, but that's only because i know he slipped and i have a better view of everything than Abraham does.

Watch the Showtime interview again. It's clear Abraham is referring to Dirrell's feet when he says 'i can't see'. This is important because it seeems that Abraham believed the soles of Dirrell's feet were on the canvas, meaning he was crouched down, and not actually on the ground.

Imo the referee should have been in there quicker.

[GAME]

Every case is unique. And again, it is not Dirrell's fault Abraham got DQ'd. That is Abraham's fault. The DQ was justified. If you want to argue about how hard Dirrell was actually hit and if he was faking or not, you should try taking that shot from Abaham after almost 11 rounds of boxing, and see how much better you would do.

I think you just just hate Dirrell and would be making negative posts about him even if Dirrell had ended up winning on points (which as we all saw was a very likely outcome). Then you would say "Oh, he ran too much. He should have stood his ground more so Abraham could KO him."

Easy for you to label anyone who disagrees with you as a hater but my opinion was that he was acting. He didnt want the doc to look into his eyes and he said he didnt take the cowards way out and thats what started him crying. Someone must have called him a coward ringside so he got upset and stuck with it.

You're reaching, extremely to try to keep the belief that he was faking.

Most people seem to think he was faking it. If you fall for that acting then youd fall for anything. That was poor.

[Mad_Dog]

a shiot...ok..forget the so called acting, forget the dq, AA was exposed. He has no skill, either offensively or defensively. He has no movement but coming forward. No head movement. This was bound to happen, the fact that he got spanked and was about to lose. This will happen again, he will get spanked. He is now exposed.

[God.in.my.corner]

I'm surprised he didn't get stop by the cut. It was a nasty one. The doctor seemed like a Dirrell cutman, applying pressure and trying to stop the bleeding and all.

Considering it was probably a local Doc, I'm surprised it wasnt stopped then. Even though it was caused by a butt IMO.

[DaxxKahn]

a shiot...ok..forget the so called acting, forget the dq, AA was exposed. He has no skill, either offensively or defensively. He has no movement but coming forward. No head movement. This was bound to happen, the fact that he got spanked and was about to lose. This will happen again, he will get spanked. He is now exposed.

Exposed...

[DaxxKahn]

All I'm saying is I have never seen the yelling and bouncing around that Dirrell was doing when he's going "let me breathe let me breathe". I've never seen this from any athlete who's suffered a head injury before. Logically if you had just been KO'd you would be subdued and a bit lost you wouldn't have energy to be doing stuff like that.

If he was out of it on his feet so to speak and had lost composure then started to get his sense back that is not uncommon to panic and not want people near you...Feelings on being boxed in and smothered are not uncommon....It is almost like Claustrophobia sets in.....

I used to work as a voluntary paramedic and have seen it for myself many times...Especially with people who have just had seizures and are starting to get their sense back....

If that was or was not the case I don't know but it is not unheard of