Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds : Pacquiao Morales III

[pacfan]

I hope we see MAB Pac2 just to end all these arguments. I'll add my opinion in saying I can see both sides of the coin.....

Pac did thrash MAB the first time and I think,since he has improved since then whereas MAB has fought nowhere the same level of competition,that Pac would be hot favourite in a rematch.

HOWEVER,I do believe,being a big MAB fan,that defintely was not the same MAB that night. The training camp disruption due to the forest fire,metal plate in his head,split from long time manager plus a bit if underestimation on his part would lead one to believe that it certainly was NOT the best of MAB BUT.....

The way which he got beaten,when he realised that he could not war with the younger man,he did try to box a bit and Pac whooped him even more. The manner of the beating coupled with the fact that MAB has not been to war properly for a long long time and I don't think he would be able to hold off Pac leads me to believe that Pac would batter him again but I'd like to be wrong and I would certainly be cheering for MAB if the fight were to occur.

As an MAB fan,I remember how much he struggled with Juarez the first time,and Pac is better than Rocky in every catgeory. Secondly, YES,MAB did outbox Rocky the second time but Juarez does not apply anywhere near the same amount of pressure as Manny and I don't think it is possible to fight Pacquaio without engaging in some toe to toe at some stage. I don't see MAB jolding him off with just a jab and a few hooks,no way.

This is more like it folks, look at this, this is one of the most balanced and objective view of this possible fight. You all outta learn from El Gamo. He and Wacko are about the best boxing analysts in the world...
...of course, excluding myself. CC for that brodda!

[GAME]

I think that anyone who loves Pacman would be the best poster in your eyes

Erik beat pac the 1st time when he still had abit left in the tank . Barrera has proven himself superior to Erik over the trilogy so anything he can do Barrera can do better .

[pacfan]

PAC broke his left hand thats why JMM manage to have a draw...
"Barrera vs. PAC I" and "Juarez vs. Barrera I" You said it was Barrera's off night.
I'm wondering how many off nights will Barrera have in his career. What if "Barrera vs. PAC II" is also an off night for Barrera. LOL .Are you saying Barrera can only be defeated when its his off night. LOL.
Maybe the PAC-JMM fight was PAC's off night... what do you think

I've been silent all these years on this matter because I don't want to make excuses. But I'd like to give some facts about this (JMM) fight. Yes, Pac showed his swollen fists immediately after the fight there at the ringside on the local television, although I don't think that was a big problem. Here are some other facts: First, they treated this fight as a tune-up match before perhaps a fight with Morales, though it was just still a talk at that time (remember, this was immediately after the big Barrera fight). Second, because of that, it was widely publicized that Pac came late for his training to the dismay of coach Roach and he complained Pac came in completely out of shape. Third, during the short training period, Pac injured his legs. All these were widely publicized at that time but I guess only the Pac fans like me read those Pac articles. And most importantly, fourth, immediately after the fight right there at the ringside, the local television crew interviewed Pac and he showed both his feet; they had unusually large blisters and was swollen really badly that anyone who saw them would wonder how he can even walk with those feet (you can take my word for it, I don't lie) - Attention, any Pinoy who recorded the video of this, please post it somewhere so others can see and believe!!! He complained that he was easily counterpunched after the second round coz he cannot lunge at Marquez quickly enough, if it weren't for this, he would have ko'd Marquez easily. He said that he wanted an immediately rematch, smiling confidently (some like my friend Gyrokai says stupid smile , hi Gyro ), adding he can do easily the next time around. Marquez clearly knew that, his actions later clearly showed it. Maybe I don't need to prove that. I think the proof came from the Marquez camp itself. They rejected the rematch even when they were offered their biggest paycheck. Ok Marquez fans, if we pacfans says that Pacman clearly won that fight (which I don't), we'd be just blind fanatics. But if you believe that Marquez didn't accept the offer because it was a 'peanuts,' and instead took a measly $30,000 just to be beaten in some deep jungle, you would be as blind as some of the pac fanatics. And it's not only the fault of his trainer either, don't tell us that a boxer doesn't have a say in choosing his opponents. But I think he might just accept the rematch some day when he is ready to retire just for the money, but then it would be unfair again for the Pac because almost certainly he would be fighting a shot fighter and when he wins, he'd be accused of beating up an old man again; Pacman always loses there.

[pacfan]

I'll rest my case at this point coz arguing further with fans will be exercise in futility - there just got to be a stop somewhere. I've made my point clear enough.

[Hairdoo]

Wacko - Keep calling me blind but maybe ive seen something you havent . Dont be deluded here . Pac was beating a warmed up corpse last night . Its all he's done since the Barrera fight . You think Barreras guna stand in punching range and employ suicidal tactics like Morales ? No way mate . Barrrera proved last time the difference between being focused and not focused against Juarez . Why do ya think the 1st one was so hard but the second 1 was easy . I respect your opinion but I do think its silly for you to write off a great like Barrera

I'll keep saying your blind if you keep on making assumptions about what I say in one post.

I have stated in the past everywhere & elsewhere that I think Marquez & Barrera are the best Mex-men out there...but the fact is...JMM stood up to Pac the best & that is the fight that needs to be seen the most.

Pac shut Barrera out & Pac is now the man that runs the division...not Barrera.

All roads end at Pac for boxers & for fans now. He has made his statement & like him or not, fan of him or not, it's time everyone faced that fact.

As far as your statements about Pac fighting corpses...that's a joke. Morales wasn't a corpse, Marquez wasn't, nor was Larios. I don't write off anyone...I give them a shot...but the one who I give the shot the most too would be Marquez.

Barrera, in all reality, does not deserve the second chance...he got his a** handed to him the first time. Marquez got up & gutted it out like a warrior & won the match...bring on the rematch.

I stand corrected Game Manny did infact meet Barrera at Featherweight!! but I also stand by my point that 3 years ago Manny wasn't the Super Featherweight that Barrera would be facing if they were to meet today!! Manny by quicker KO 2nd time around

[TheBESTP4P]

GUESS WHOS BACK BIOTCHEZ?? YALL MISS ME? well im still down in the OC and this comp is slooooooooooooow as hell but i promise to update my thread with pics so stay tuned my friends! ONE LOVE! FIGHT OF THE YEAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

[Wacko3205]

I think that anyone who loves Pacman would be the best poster in your eyes

Erik beat pac the 1st time when he still had abit left in the tank . Barrera has proven himself superior to Erik over the trilogy so anything he can do Barrera can do better .

You keep missing the fact that I am not a Pac fan but a Morales fan & a Barrera fan.

Deal with the fact that Pac has come into his own & could quite possibley rule the division. I h e.

[pacfan]

Let me be just a little bit more understanding towards some fans out here. Ya, go on believing in your boys, who knows, anything can happen - sky is the limit. There's nothing wrong with that, I myself do that sometimes, but - here is the big but - at least temper it with a 'modicum' of reality, especially when dealing with other fans out here. You just got to face some reality sometimes, not all dreaming and dreaming.

I think that anyone who loves Pacman would be the best poster in your eyes

Erik beat pac the 1st time when he still had abit left in the tank . Barrera has proven himself superior to Erik over the trilogy so anything he can do Barrera can do better .

You keep missing the fact that I am not a Pac fan but a Morales fan & a Barrera fan.

Deal with the fact that Pac has come into his own & could quite possibley rule the division. I h e.

I don't need to defend Wacko here coz he is quite capable of defending himself. But let me defend El Gamo, since he's not here yet. El Gamo is no Pac fan, believe me. He's a massive El Terrible (note the El in his name) fan and he's been wishing ever since that some tough brute will kick the azz of my boy. But we get alone very well. You know why? It's simply because he puts some 'reality' in dealing with some other fans including all the pac fans here. I still remember how he approached me when I was a timid newbie here looking for a friendly face. Then this bully, strutting a big name 'The Game' , appeared from nowhere and scared me with his trademark introduction: My boy Erik can whip your boy's azz in his prime, and he was a much better boxer then by 'far and away.' (And believe me he did something like that to some newbie again several months ago and I couldn't help myself but laugh really hard) But you now, he did that with a big smile and with big open arms, and we've been good friend ever since. (Boy, I'm being little nostalgic again, tears rolling down my eyes. ) And I hope others can be like that, it'll lead to a more sensible debates around here.

[El Gamo]

LOL,pACFAN,YOU ARE THE MAN!!! Salamat! Thanks for defending me bro but it's cool,GAME is entitled to his opinion. I'm glad you feel comfortable here and yeah,I'll debate with you but there's plenty of love too man! Have a huge CC on me and KEEP POSTING! You better not leave even when Edwin Valero and Humberto Soto hunt Pac down and get revenge on him from EM(they were Erik's sparring partners!). Valero(V Nom) in 1 year,with the skills he shows in sparring and not being the wild man like he is in fights,WILL beat Pac! And Soto is a rugged badass,ask Rocky Juarez,who he handed out an ass whopoping to!

[GAME]

I think that anyone who loves Pacman would be the best poster in your eyes

Erik beat pac the 1st time when he still had abit left in the tank . Barrera has proven himself superior to Erik over the trilogy so anything he can do Barrera can do better .

You keep missing the fact that I am not a Pac fan but a Morales fan & a Barrera fan.

Deal with the fact that Pac has come into his own & could quite possibley rule the division. I h e.

I have accepted that Pac has come into his own and could very well rule the division . What you need to accept is Barrera is a great fighter and its stupid to write a man like him off . Put Saturday night into perspective . Pac was beating a guy with 3 out of 4 losses. Also realise that Barrera can dominate a world class opponent like Juarez in second gear . Then you should have a whole new outlook on a possible Pac-Barrera return .

[_the_answer_]

You gotta be kidding calling MAB a coward. Please. He's a true warrior in the great Mexican tradition. The rematch is going to be made now that Pac has finished off EM, just like the rematch got made with Juarez when that left a bad taste in peoples' mouths. Just like the trilogy got made with EM. And you might have noticed that when Larry Merchant asked Pac what was next he said "I'll do whatever my promotion company tells me to do." Doesn't make him a coward either. MAB, EM, Pac--none of these guys are cowards. But just so you're straight on this: MAB's also not the one who looked at his daddy and said "no mas" in the third round.

and TOP RANK wants him to fight the best
and he cant call on anyone cause no one's got his number
who? marquez?!? cmon PAC IS ALREADY THE P4PKING
what im saying is barrera should call out on pac
cuz pac blemished his rec and rep
anyone who wants to prove something should not duck
this is what pac and EM did right after they lost to each other
btw, when barrera fought pac he doesnt wanna continue after round5
but when he looked to his brother jorge barrera he was informed
he was trailing on the scorecards so he gotta win some rounds first
im telling you, MAB is a great fighter but erik morales is the real warrior

the_answer - I never said Barrera was past his prime when he lost to Pac . It was an off night . He just wasnt himself that night . The idiots wrote him off and said he was past his prime but he proved them wrong as he will again . You are right Pac is no Nas . Nas was undefeated whereas Pac has been k.o'd a couple times . Plus he was naturally bigger than Barrera . Erik has a stronger chin than Barrera ? Thats why when they met Barrera is the one who scored a knockdown .

Morales is the one who must have scored a knockdown in the 2nd fight
forget the 1st fight.. that was no knockdown... EM won it anyway
yeah naz has a great chin, he was knockdown by kelly thrice!!!
and i know you'll say a prime kelly has tremendous power than pac
and about you bragging about pac's ko defeats
yeah those two bums are better than Barrera
cuz your hero cant ko pac
its time to face reality and be a gentleman like the morales fans

[Wacko3205]

I think that anyone who loves Pacman would be the best poster in your eyes

Erik beat pac the 1st time when he still had abit left in the tank . Barrera has proven himself superior to Erik over the trilogy so anything he can do Barrera can do better .

You keep missing the fact that I am not a Pac fan but a Morales fan & a Barrera fan.

Deal with the fact that Pac has come into his own & could quite possibley rule the division. I h e.

I have accepted that Pac has come into his own and could very well rule the division . What you need to accept is Barrera is a great fighter and its stupid to write a man like him off . Put Saturday night into perspective . Pac was beating a guy with 3 out of 4 losses. Also realise that Barrera can dominate a world class opponent like Juarez in second gear . Then you should have a whole new outlook on a possible Pac-Barrera return .

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh holy lord.

Tell me you didn't just call Juarez a world class opponent...Juarez is barely a contender & he took MAB the distance & won & then got a DRAW.

Please.

Also...don't try to tell me shit about Barrera, I'm a Barrera fan...but boxing is real...it's not dreamland. You look at what's in front of you & you make your assumptions.

Barrera didn't even dominate Juarez in second gear...you need to rewatch that fight...also...Pac has no second gear...he's got only one...full speed ahead...that should be painfully apparent to you now.

Barrera Pacquiao II = Pac by a late round TKO...just like the last go around.

[pacfan]

Here's a good article just came in, although it's a GFinale article, it touches on the issue of possible Barrera - Pac fight. I think this is a pretty good view on this matter. If anyone wants to post the full text of this link, go ahead and do so.

http://eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=8965&more=1

Personally, I don't want to see this fight. Pacquiao power has never being this strong, I think his power has come to a peak. He knocked down Morales 3 times all with one shot, the first when Erik was not even hurt yet, and the last two sending his body flying. I couldn't imagine how those punches, which the writer described as having a 'freakish power', will affect a battle-scarred 33-year old Barrera's brain. He don't need this, period.

But for Game, you might just get your wish coz this fight is where the next fight is pointing at, although, as I've said and as the writer of the article also said, it is doubtful if Barrera will take this fight. But cheer up, you've got a good chance.

[pacfan]

LOL,pACFAN,YOU ARE THE MAN!!! Salamat! Thanks for defending me bro but it's cool,GAME is entitled to his opinion. I'm glad you feel comfortable here and yeah,I'll debate with you but there's plenty of love too man! Have a huge CC on me and KEEP POSTING! You better not leave even when Edwin Valero and Humberto Soto hunt Pac down and get revenge on him from EM(they were Erik's sparring partners!). Valero(V Nom) in 1 year,with the skills he shows in sparring and not being the wild man like he is in fights,WILL beat Pac! And Soto is a rugged badass,ask Rocky Juarez,who he handed out an a** whopoping to!

No sweat, and thanx to you too, broda. Boy, your learning some tagalog, huh, that's nice. Yup I'll be here, although I won't be as busy as I have been this past Grand Finale days, I'll be here, that's for sure. I was kinda lonely after this much awaited fight went by coz I consider this as the ultimate fight for Pac, but you're beginning to convince me that there are other exciting fighters there for the Pac and believe me, I'm beginning to lighten up again and beginning to come out of this post-megafight depression. So keep informing me about these fighters so I can look forward to other possible super-fights for the Pac. CC back to you in 24 hrs.

[El Gamo]

Bro Pacman could have great fights with:

JMM
MAB
Humberto Soto
Edwin Valero
Joan Guzman
Jorge Barrios


and any fights involving those guys with each other would be awesome and also,you must know of Boom Boom Butista,my boy Daniel Ponce De Leon wants him so PLENTY of great fights bro!!!! Stick around!