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    Ed Miliband has said Labour will "change the way the country is run and who it is run for" as he launched the party's election manifesto.

    Saying he had been tested as opposition leader and was "ready" for power, Mr Miliband said Labour would be a "party of change and responsibility".

    He ruled out a "shopping list of proposals", guaranteeing all policies would require no extra borrowing.

    But PM David Cameron accused Mr Miliband of trying to "con" the public.
    The 86-page manifesto, which is 20,421 words long, sets out Labour's main policy pledges, including:

    Raising the minimum wage to more than £8 by the end of 2019
    A one-year freeze in rail fares, costing £200m, paid for by delaying upgrades to the A27 and A358 trunk roads
    Twenty-five hours of childcare for working parents of three and four-year olds and a new right to pre and after-school help, paid for by rise in bank levy
    Freezing gas and electricity bills until 2017, so they can only fall not rise
    A £2.5bn fund for the NHS paid for largely by a mansion tax on properties valued at over £2m
    Scrapping winter fuel payments for the richest pensioners, capping child benefit rises and protecting tax credits
    A 50p tax rate on incomes over £150,000 a year and abolishing non-dom status. Rises in VAT and national insurance ruled out
    A cut in university tuition fees from £9,000 to £6,000

    Speaking in Manchester, Mr Miliband said the first page of Labour's manifesto "sets out a vow to protect our nation's finances; a clear commitment that every policy... is paid for without a single penny of extra borrowing".

    Labour would not promise anything it could not fund, he said, contrasting this with the Conservatives which he described as the "party of sums that do not add up and commitments that cannot be kept".

    Election 2015: Miliband says he is 'ready' to lead country - BBC News
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    Conservatives offering 'a good life' for all

    David Cameron has said his aim is to guarantee a "good life" for British workers and families as he launched the Conservatives' election manifesto.

    The prime minister said he wanted "to finish the job" of rebuilding Britain on behalf of "working people".

    He pledged to pass a law to keep minimum wage workers out of tax, double free childcare to 30 hours a week and boost "right to buy" home ownership.

    Labour said the Conservatives were the "party of the richest in society".

    The Conservative launch in Swindon came the day after Ed Miliband put forward Labour's version - promising to improve the lives of Britain's workers and not to pay for any policies through additional borrowing.

    In his speech, Mr Cameron said the Conservatives would build on the "solid foundations" laid by his government since 2010, proclaiming that Britain was "on the brink of something special" and warning that Labour would take the UK "back to square one".

    "We are the party of the working people offering you security at every stage of your life," he said.
    His goal over the next five years, he said, was to "turn the good news on our economy into a good life for you and your family".

    "They're about realising the potential of Britain, not as a debt-addicted, welfare-burdened, steadily declining, once great nation, which is what we found. But a country where a good life is there for everyone willing to work for it."

    David Cameron: Conservatives offering 'a good life' for all - BBC News
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    the stench of manure from those last two posts is overwhelming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Ed Miliband has said Labour will "change the way the country is run and who it is run for" as he launched the party's election manifesto.

    Saying he had been tested as opposition leader and was "ready" for power, Mr Miliband said Labour would be a "party of change and responsibility".

    He ruled out a "shopping list of proposals", guaranteeing all policies would require no extra borrowing.

    But PM David Cameron accused Mr Miliband of trying to "con" the public.
    The 86-page manifesto, which is 20,421 words long, sets out Labour's main policy pledges, including:

    Raising the minimum wage to more than £8 by the end of 2019
    A one-year freeze in rail fares, costing £200m, paid for by delaying upgrades to the A27 and A358 trunk roads
    Twenty-five hours of childcare for working parents of three and four-year olds and a new right to pre and after-school help, paid for by rise in bank levy
    Freezing gas and electricity bills until 2017, so they can only fall not rise
    A £2.5bn fund for the NHS paid for largely by a mansion tax on properties valued at over £2m
    Scrapping winter fuel payments for the richest pensioners, capping child benefit rises and protecting tax credits
    A 50p tax rate on incomes over £150,000 a year and abolishing non-dom status. Rises in VAT and national insurance ruled out
    A cut in university tuition fees from £9,000 to £6,000

    Speaking in Manchester, Mr Miliband said the first page of Labour's manifesto "sets out a vow to protect our nation's finances; a clear commitment that every policy... is paid for without a single penny of extra borrowing".

    Labour would not promise anything it could not fund, he said, contrasting this with the Conservatives which he described as the "party of sums that do not add up and commitments that cannot be kept".

    Election 2015: Miliband says he is 'ready' to lead country - BBC News
    Wow, that's pretty 'progressive'.
    Here in the Philippines, there are lots of far left from the universities, unions of all sorts but despite their numbers and noises they make, they failed to get the nod of the general public, the common man, and always failed in their attempt to get elected. I guess they used the wrong approach with people always seeing them on the streets, I mean on demos, sometimes vandalizing public properties and the people see them more as trouble-makers than anything. I'm not much of a left but in country like ours, where vast majority of people are poor and while the politicians are getting richer by the minute, I think the left could help the poor but unfortunately they have failed them. One example, everybody here pay 12% VAT and why? Because the big businesses evade taxes in cahoots with their favorite patrons - the politicians, of course, and the poor are the ones financing the deficit left by those crooks. But these same poor folks, who are poorly educated but who hold the votes, elect these same crooks over and over again to the consternation of the more educated middle/upper class who holds the rest of 20% or so votes. Here, the left failed miserably because they failed to offer any viable alternatives.
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    All the main parties are running sanitised campaigns where they agree not to target each other over the thing that British people have as number one on their list of issues to be dealt with, immigration. They don't want to give Ukip the oxygen.

    So the entire campaign is reduced to ridiculous photo opportunities where the politicians pretend they're like normal people.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Ed Miliband has said Labour will "change the way the country is run and who it is run for" as he launched the party's election manifesto.

    Saying he had been tested as opposition leader and was "ready" for power, Mr Miliband said Labour would be a "party of change and responsibility".

    He ruled out a "shopping list of proposals", guaranteeing all policies would require no extra borrowing.

    But PM David Cameron accused Mr Miliband of trying to "con" the public.
    The 86-page manifesto, which is 20,421 words long, sets out Labour's main policy pledges, including:

    Raising the minimum wage to more than £8 by the end of 2019
    A one-year freeze in rail fares, costing £200m, paid for by delaying upgrades to the A27 and A358 trunk roads
    Twenty-five hours of childcare for working parents of three and four-year olds and a new right to pre and after-school help, paid for by rise in bank levy
    Freezing gas and electricity bills until 2017, so they can only fall not rise
    A £2.5bn fund for the NHS paid for largely by a mansion tax on properties valued at over £2m
    Scrapping winter fuel payments for the richest pensioners, capping child benefit rises and protecting tax credits
    A 50p tax rate on incomes over £150,000 a year and abolishing non-dom status. Rises in VAT and national insurance ruled out
    A cut in university tuition fees from £9,000 to £6,000

    Speaking in Manchester, Mr Miliband said the first page of Labour's manifesto "sets out a vow to protect our nation's finances; a clear commitment that every policy... is paid for without a single penny of extra borrowing".

    Labour would not promise anything it could not fund, he said, contrasting this with the Conservatives which he described as the "party of sums that do not add up and commitments that cannot be kept".

    Election 2015: Miliband says he is 'ready' to lead country - BBC News
    Wow, that's pretty 'progressive'.
    Here in the Philippines, there are lots of far left from the universities, unions of all sorts but despite their numbers and noises they make, they failed to get the nod of the general public, the common man, and always failed in their attempt to get elected. I guess they used the wrong approach with people always seeing them on the streets, I mean on demos, sometimes vandalizing public properties and the people see them more as trouble-makers than anything. I'm not much of a left but in country like ours, where vast majority of people are poor and while the politicians are getting richer by the minute, I think the left could help the poor but unfortunately they have failed them. One example, everybody here pay 12% VAT and why? Because the big businesses evade taxes in cahoots with their favorite patrons - the politicians, of course, and the poor are the ones financing the deficit left by those crooks. But these same poor folks, who are poorly educated but who hold the votes, elect these same crooks over and over again to the consternation of the more educated middle/upper class who holds the rest of 20% or so votes. Here, the left failed miserably because they failed to offer any viable alternatives.
    The right wing press owned by the super rich also control the media and perception of the left. Labour was destroyed and never got into government until they re-branded to New Labour and got into government after 18 years of inequality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pacfan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Ed Miliband has said Labour will "change the way the country is run and who it is run for" as he launched the party's election manifesto.

    Saying he had been tested as opposition leader and was "ready" for power, Mr Miliband said Labour would be a "party of change and responsibility".

    He ruled out a "shopping list of proposals", guaranteeing all policies would require no extra borrowing.

    But PM David Cameron accused Mr Miliband of trying to "con" the public.
    The 86-page manifesto, which is 20,421 words long, sets out Labour's main policy pledges, including:

    Raising the minimum wage to more than £8 by the end of 2019
    A one-year freeze in rail fares, costing £200m, paid for by delaying upgrades to the A27 and A358 trunk roads
    Twenty-five hours of childcare for working parents of three and four-year olds and a new right to pre and after-school help, paid for by rise in bank levy
    Freezing gas and electricity bills until 2017, so they can only fall not rise
    A £2.5bn fund for the NHS paid for largely by a mansion tax on properties valued at over £2m
    Scrapping winter fuel payments for the richest pensioners, capping child benefit rises and protecting tax credits
    A 50p tax rate on incomes over £150,000 a year and abolishing non-dom status. Rises in VAT and national insurance ruled out
    A cut in university tuition fees from £9,000 to £6,000

    Speaking in Manchester, Mr Miliband said the first page of Labour's manifesto "sets out a vow to protect our nation's finances; a clear commitment that every policy... is paid for without a single penny of extra borrowing".

    Labour would not promise anything it could not fund, he said, contrasting this with the Conservatives which he described as the "party of sums that do not add up and commitments that cannot be kept".

    Election 2015: Miliband says he is 'ready' to lead country - BBC News
    Wow, that's pretty 'progressive'.
    Here in the Philippines, there are lots of far left from the universities, unions of all sorts but despite their numbers and noises they make, they failed to get the nod of the general public, the common man, and always failed in their attempt to get elected. I guess they used the wrong approach with people always seeing them on the streets, I mean on demos, sometimes vandalizing public properties and the people see them more as trouble-makers than anything. I'm not much of a left but in country like ours, where vast majority of people are poor and while the politicians are getting richer by the minute, I think the left could help the poor but unfortunately they have failed them. One example, everybody here pay 12% VAT and why? Because the big businesses evade taxes in cahoots with their favorite patrons - the politicians, of course, and the poor are the ones financing the deficit left by those crooks. But these same poor folks, who are poorly educated but who hold the votes, elect these same crooks over and over again to the consternation of the more educated middle/upper class who holds the rest of 20% or so votes. Here, the left failed miserably because they failed to offer any viable alternatives.
    The right wing press owned by the super rich also control the media and perception of the left. Labour was destroyed and never got into government until they re-branded to New Labour and got into government after 18 years of inequality.
    That's exactly what the left here should do. But the left here has a short history, mostly led by the vietnam-war era activists who denounced the war. And the press here are not un-sympathetic to them at all. Most of the people who're in the press are these same activists of the 60s and the 70's. They're now holding the key positions in the mass media organizations here, with their proteges in tow. But somehow, they have failed to move the common folks here, probably most of these simple folks don't understand their grandiose ideology that they have been trying to preach to them. 'Down with the capitalists, down with the imperialists, no to privatization, ' etc. And what do these poor folks know or care about them, right?
    Once in awhile, get outside in fresh air, take a deep breath & with a deep sigh, let out all the things that's bottled up inside you & be free, & you'll get a glimpse of nirvana.

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    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

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    Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.

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    A bunch of people on both sides who don't know history. The Nazis were sworn enemies of German socialists and fought bloody running battles on the streets of Germany with them throughout the late 20s and early 30s. When Hitler seized power in an ACORN-orchestrated coup he set up the first Nazi concentration camp at Dachau and the first people he sent there were socialst politicians, socialist professors and other socialists in authority, trade union leaders and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing View Post
    A bunch of people on both sides who don't know history. The Nazis were sworn enemies of German socialists and fought bloody running battles on the streets of Germany with them throughout the late 20s and early 30s. When Hitler seized power in an ACORN-orchestrated coup he set up the first Nazi concentration camp at Dachau and the first people he sent there were socialst politicians, socialist professors and other socialists in authority, trade union leaders and so on.
    Former KGB operative and then defector Yuri Bezmenov: "The same thing was done under the guidance of the Soviet Embassy in Hanoi and same thing I was doing in New Delhi. To my horror I discovered where people were doomed to execution. There were names of pro-Soviet journalists who I was personally friendly. They were (and here's the key) IDEALISTICALLY minded leftists and yet the KGB decided that come revolution or drastic changes in political structure of India that they will have to go."

    Interviewer: "Why is that?"

    YB: "Because they know too much. The useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of Soviet communism, socialism, whatever system, when they get disillusioned they become the worst enemies that's why my KGB instructors said to me specifically 'Never bother with leftists, forget about those political prostitutes' "



    And you look at Hitler and what do you see Kirkland? Do you see an old white guy who couldn't cope with a welfare state? Do you see a guy who was against any and all ethnicities other than his own? Or do you see an art school reject looking to become the new Nero and build up Germany into an empire bigger than anything the Romans had?

    You're telling me that the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party as led by Adolf Hitler was "right wing"? Yeah you're a fucking dolt.

    Some lefty highlights of the Nazi 25 point plan
    Nationalization of ALL industries....We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens....confiscation of "war profits".....division of profits for heavy industry....expansion of old age welfare....CREATION of a healthy middle class.....land reform suitable to our needs/provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
    18.We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race....We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order....The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program....The State is to care for the elevating national health....a crackdown on the "free" press....Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general.

    Yeah suuuuuuuuper Conservative

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    "Lenin and Hitler can be compared" - Dr. Joseph Goebbels Reich Minister of Propaganda

    The very doctrine of National Socialism is based on Karl Marx, Mein Kampf was written to replace Das Kapital

    But Kirkland, tell me how I'm wrong other than Lenin was an International Socialist while Hitler was a National Socialist.....I'm sure that makes Hitler oh so very right wing...dolt
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    Saw the debate today and the non-appearance of the Tories and Clegg was embarrassing for them. Really bad move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Saw the debate today and the non-appearance of the Tories and Clegg was embarrassing for them. Really bad move.
    The non-appearance of Ed Milliband won't have done his chances much good either. Dimbleby gave everyone far too much leeway, and at one point the Green leader was yelling "I want to make my point now" over the other leaders. Again, I think the winner was Nicola Sturgeon, with Leanne Wood looking a bit better than the last debate in second, then Miliband, Farage and Bennett bringing up the rear.

    I don't get why Miliband is so against working with the SNP, making it a constant topic in the debates, while nobody doubts that Cameron will jump into bed with UKIP in the blink of an eye, which in my view is infinitely worse.

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