Rank the HWs

[Kev]

OK bilbo, I'll play your little game

Keep in mind you said COULD...so here's the

In no particular order
Ray Austin - tall guy, fights tall could give the shorter Sam Peter trouble
Larry Donald - tall guy, moves GREAT, very hard to stop...would really give Sam problems
Lamon Brewster - tough guy, if he chooses to brawl with Sam he could hang
Sergei Lyakhovich - big tall guy, good boxer, takes a good punch
John Ruiz - VERY tough to beat, he can take a good punch, smothering, frustrating to fight
Ruslan Chagaev - able to trade, decent power, southpaw
Shannon Briggs - HUGE big puncher, quick hands
Alexander Dimitrenko - Tall, fights tall, quick hands, not a ton of power, moves ok, he's developing
Chris Byrd - quick hands, southpaw, moves well, good stamina, can take a good punch
Jameel McCline - tall, decent defense, when motivated he fights well, can take a good punch
Hasim Rahman - tough, good power in the right hand, likes to trade too much but he has good power.
Danny Williams - big guy, can be tough to fight at times, can take LOADS of punishment

Now in reality maybe 4 (Larry Donald, Sergei Lyakhovich, Chris Byrd, and Shannon Briggs) of those 13 guys could really give Sam a run for his money, however, Sam Peter just hasn't improved since he came on the scene....he still has horrid defense, he still throws one punch at a time, he still throws way too wide, and he still rabbit punches....all that is why he couldn't beat James Toney

I think your hating a bit here Lyle. I cant think of any heavies other than the 4 I mentioned that hae done more recently than Sam Peter. He has only one loss, to the fighter whom everyone would unanimously agree is the divisions best, and he floored him 3 times.

In addition he has a victory, (admittedly controversial but still) over James Toney whom most would rate as top 5.

Who else in recent times has done as much as that? All of the other paper champs are bums, Peter would be a heavy betting favourite to win all of those fights.

You may disagree but the rest of the world is with me on this one I think Lyle

By the way your list is just plain idiotic. You say Peter has done nothing to be considered as the second best heavy and then replace him with Larry Donald,

[Punisher136]

1.Wlad
2.Sam Peter
3.James Toney
4.Calvin Brock.

The rest are all pretty much stains on the sport and can collectively be ranked as fertiliser

That about wraps it up but i don't think brock is quite there yet. He has room for improvement and more than likely he'll have a belt in the future but i think he needs to improve on some things first.

[CutMeMick]

Champ: Wladimir Klitschko
Oleg Maskaev
Samuel Peter
James Toney
Nikolay Valuev
Shannon Briggs

[shza]

Wlad
Sam Peter
Calvin Brock
James Toney
Lamon Brewster
Sergue Lyckahovich
and then just lump everybody else behind them. I really want to rate Toney higher but I dont think he has the stamina to fight a full fight like he needs to in order to win the close fights.

I pretty much agree with you only I would put Toney at number 2 anyways.. Sure maybe he doesn't have the stamina to go a hard 12... But what guy on that list doesn't have some glaring flaw to their game. Hell which don't also have questionable stamina?.. Wlad is the best HW right now but he still may not have a good chin and perhaps isn't consistent... Peter can't box, Brock is limited skill wise, Sergei... after his last fight I wouldn't even rank him whatsoever Id be surprised if he's ever heard of again. Brewster as well is a completely limited brawler who currently has a detached retina.. I don't have any problem putting Toney at no.2 I think he's the only logical pick since he clearly defeated Sam Peter in their fight and is the only HW besides Wlad with a real skillset.. Which is actually much better then Wlads.

Agree completely. I also want to say that I don't understand how anyone is calling Valuev #2. He got a GIFT DECISION against John Ruiz to get his title, and he's never beaten anyone else who's remotely talented. He looks awful in the ring, and he will definitely lose the first time he steps up to decent competition (unless maybe he's in Germany again). You can complain about "what has Sam Peter done?", but he's done more than Valuev has, and you can't possibly believe that Valuev would beat Peter. (But I definitely agree with Toney as #2 ahead of Peter based on his clear victory over Peter in their first fight, even if the judges were blind.)

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

1- Wladimir Klitschko
2- Nicolay Valuev
3- Oleg Maskaev Biggest plummet in position if OM should loose next fight
4- Samuel Peter
5- James Toney JT position pending 2nd fight with SP
6- Calvin Brock
7- Shannon Briggs SB position due to nature of finish in last fight
8- Sergei Lyakovich
9- Lamon Brewster
10- Chris Byrd

[El Kabong]

I think your hating a bit here Lyle. I cant think of any heavies other than the 4 I mentioned that hae done more recently than Sam Peter. He has only one loss, to the fighter whom everyone would unanimously agree is the divisions best, and he floored him 3 times.

In addition he has a victory, (admittedly controversial but still) over James Toney whom most would rate as top 5.

Who else in recent times has done as much as that? All of the other paper champs are bums, Peter would be a heavy betting favourite to win all of those fights.

You may disagree but the rest of the world is with me on this one I think Lyle

By the way your list is just plain idiotic. You say Peter has done nothing to be considered as the second best heavy and then replace him with Larry Donald,

Now Bilbo, I did not REPLACE Sam Peter with Larry Donald....I just said Larry would beat Sam, that is it. Donald takes punches well, he has a good jab, and he moves well....Sam would look like shit vs him.

I also believe other title holders should be ranked higher than Sam....they do have titles.

I don't rate James Toney in the top 5....he beat Holyfield, Booker, Guinn, drew with Rahman and had a No Contest vs Ruiz....why would he be in the top 5?

I'm sorry Sam Peter fans, I gave the guy a chance he hasn't improved, and I don't think he's EVER going to be the dominant force in the division

[shza]

I think your hating a bit here Lyle. I cant think of any heavies other than the 4 I mentioned that hae done more recently than Sam Peter. He has only one loss, to the fighter whom everyone would unanimously agree is the divisions best, and he floored him 3 times.

In addition he has a victory, (admittedly controversial but still) over James Toney whom most would rate as top 5.

Who else in recent times has done as much as that? All of the other paper champs are bums, Peter would be a heavy betting favourite to win all of those fights.

You may disagree but the rest of the world is with me on this one I think Lyle

By the way your list is just plain idiotic. You say Peter has done nothing to be considered as the second best heavy and then replace him with Larry Donald,

Now Bilbo, I did not REPLACE Sam Peter with Larry Donald....I just said Larry would beat Sam, that is it. Donald takes punches well, he has a good jab, and he moves well....Sam would look like shit vs him.

I also believe other title holders should be ranked higher than Sam....they do have titles.

I don't rate James Toney in the top 5....he beat Holyfield, Booker, Guinn, drew with Rahman and had a No Contest vs Ruiz....why would he be in the top 5?

I'm sorry Sam Peter fans, I gave the guy a chance he hasn't improved, and I don't think he's EVER going to be the dominant force in the division

Lyle, what makes you think Nikolay Valuev is the #2 HW? He didn't even win the fight that got him his alphabet strap, and everyone else he's fought has been a tomato can. And it's not like he just hasn't had an opportunity to use his abilities--he doesn't have any boxing ability. And again: he lost to John Ruiz.

[El Kabong]

Did I say ANYTHING about putting Valuev at #2

Maybe my eyes aren't working that well....please Shza point out where I posted

"Nicolay Valuev should be #2"



I'll await your reply, but in the meantime here is my list

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Oleg Maskaev
3. Sam Peter/James Toney whoever wins the fight if it's clear cut if not they both fall out of the top 5
4. Calvin Brock - his last fight was a knockout loss but for about 4 rounds he gave Wlad some tough rounds
5. Nicolay Valuev - due to the fact that he's unbeaten, something that's BOUND to change in the US
6. Shannon Briggs - he's dangerous and won a title by knockout
7. Sergei Lyakhovich - yeah he got beat but I have my questions about WHEN (before the fight ended or after)
8. Chris Byrd - he's older, a bit more beaten up but still a crafty vet
9. Ruslan Chagaev/John Ruiz - Ruslan got a split decision win over Ruiz HOWEVER it was in Germany so it must have been VERY close
10. Sultan Ibragimov/Ray Austin - they drew, they should have a rematch before being given title shots

[Kev]

Did I say ANYTHING about putting Valuev at #2

Maybe my eyes aren't working that well....please Shza point out where I posted

"Nicolay Valuev should be #2"



I'll await your reply, but in the meantime here is my list

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Oleg Maskaev
3. Sam Peter/James Toney whoever wins the fight if it's clear cut if not they both fall out of the top 5
4. Calvin Brock - his last fight was a knockout loss but for about 4 rounds he gave Wlad some tough rounds
5. Nicolay Valuev - due to the fact that he's unbeaten, something that's BOUND to change in the US
6. Shannon Briggs - he's dangerous and won a title by knockout
7. Sergei Lyakhovich - yeah he got beat but I have my questions about WHEN (before the fight ended or after)
8. Chris Byrd - he's older, a bit more beaten up but still a crafty vet
9. Ruslan Chagaev/John Ruiz - Ruslan got a split decision win over Ruiz HOWEVER it was in Germany so it must have been VERY close
10. Sultan Ibragimov/Ray Austin - they drew, they should have a rematch before being given title shots

Okkk Lyle you are completely losing me now.

You make a post berating the fact that I put Sam Peter at number two, as if it was an outrageously high position and then you put him at number 3

So the only fighter you rate above him is Oleg Maskaev then,

I thought it was bad enough with Larry Donald

[shza]

Did I say ANYTHING about putting Valuev at #2

Maybe my eyes aren't working that well....please Shza point out where I posted

"Nicolay Valuev should be #2"



I'll await your reply, but in the meantime here is my list

1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Oleg Maskaev
3. Sam Peter/James Toney whoever wins the fight if it's clear cut if not they both fall out of the top 5
4. Calvin Brock - his last fight was a knockout loss but for about 4 rounds he gave Wlad some tough rounds
5. Nicolay Valuev - due to the fact that he's unbeaten, something that's BOUND to change in the US
6. Shannon Briggs - he's dangerous and won a title by knockout
7. Sergei Lyakhovich - yeah he got beat but I have my questions about WHEN (before the fight ended or after)
8. Chris Byrd - he's older, a bit more beaten up but still a crafty vet
9. Ruslan Chagaev/John Ruiz - Ruslan got a split decision win over Ruiz HOWEVER it was in Germany so it must have been VERY close
10. Sultan Ibragimov/Ray Austin - they drew, they should have a rematch before being given title shots

Sorry--fair enough. It was everyone except you I guess. But I still agree with Bilbo's post above.

[Big_Deuce]

samuel peter had 1 knockdown against wlad that i could count as a knockdown. The other two were caused from punches landing behind wlads head, its just the reff was to stupid to warn samuel peter, as a matter a fact, the ref that night didnt warn wlad about the holding either. However those 2 knockdowns from peter were not justified.

[Lords Gym]

This is how I see it

#1 Wladimir Klitschko ( IBF Champ)
#2 Samuel Peter
#3 James Toney
#4 Evander Holyfield
#5 David Tua
#6 Oleg Maskaev (WBC Champ)
#7 Chazz Witherspoon
#8 Nikolay Valuev ( WBA Champion)
#9 Ruslan Chagaev
#10 Ray Austin
#11 Chris Arreola

[Bx730NY]

...What the F*** has Sam Peter done to be #2 May as well put Holyfield as #2

How about put Wlad on his a** 3 times?

oh yeah....you forgot this part

AND LOST!




You people on the Sam Peter bandwagon are the SAME GUYS saying "Vitali's biggest win was a loss"....well so was Sam Peter's! And at least Vitali went right back at it after that big loss.....Mr. Peter went out just to get a KO....let's examine that a bit, he's not going out to PROVE himself, not going out to EARN a KO, not to WORK for a KO.....just to throw 3-4 punches and get a check.

Sam Peter had raw talent a couple years ago.....it's still raw today and if it doesn't get fixed it's gonna go bad.

Why won't Wlad even mention his name again? He knows whats up and so do you. He knows what he got away with and he knows that if they fight again, (and they will because Peter is gonna force it) the ref will most likely be notified to be aware of it. I swear I think you get nervous every time you hear Wlad and Peter in the same sentence. That's why you freak out and start ranting and raving. You're as terrified of that happening as Wlad is. Wladdy

[Bx730NY]

I think your hating a bit here Lyle. I cant think of any heavies other than the 4 I mentioned that hae done more recently than Sam Peter. He has only one loss, to the fighter whom everyone would unanimously agree is the divisions best, and he floored him 3 times.

In addition he has a victory, (admittedly controversial but still) over James Toney whom most would rate as top 5.

Who else in recent times has done as much as that? All of the other paper champs are bums, Peter would be a heavy betting favourite to win all of those fights.

You may disagree but the rest of the world is with me on this one I think Lyle

By the way your list is just plain idiotic. You say Peter has done nothing to be considered as the second best heavy and then replace him with Larry Donald,

Now Bilbo, I did not REPLACE Sam Peter with Larry Donald....I just said Larry would beat Sam, that is it. Donald takes punches well, he has a good jab, and he moves well....Sam would look like S*** vs him.

I also believe other title holders should be ranked higher than Sam....they do have titles.

I don't rate James Toney in the top 5....he beat Holyfield, Booker, Guinn, drew with Rahman and had a No Contest vs Ruiz....why would he be in the top 5?

I'm sorry Sam Peter fans, I gave the guy a chance he hasn't improved, and I don't think he's EVER going to be the dominant force in the division

Yeah but you ranked Wlad #1 b4 he was champ so whats with the double standard. You're too blinded by you infatuation of Wlad to see whats going on.

[Bx730NY]

samuel peter had 1 knockdown against wlad that i could count as a knockdown. The other two were caused from punches landing behind wlads head, its just the reff was to stupid to warn samuel peter, as a matter a fact, the ref that night didnt warn wlad about the holding either. However those 2 knockdowns from peter were not justified.

I've seen the fight about six times and I can honestly say that if Wlad didn't keep turnig his head to avoid punishment, he wouln't have gotten hit in the side or back of the head, whichever he exposed.